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Peter Sutcliffe has died

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Ginfordinner · 13/11/2020 08:24

I was a student in Leeds during his reign of terror. I won't mourn his death.

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girlofthenorth · 13/11/2020 11:56

I was a child at the time, my family worked and lived in the area. It was terrifying for my mum, who was in her 30s. She would never go out . So awful to be living with that fear.

feelingverylazytoday · 13/11/2020 12:36

Glad to see that the BBC is remembering his victims.
Flowers to all of them and their families.

nosswith · 13/11/2020 12:37

Remember his victims. Hopefully as there is now no possibility of him being released, some closure to the relatives.

Hoppinggreen · 13/11/2020 12:44

I live in the area where his crimes happened and I think his name shouldn’t be mentioned at all, especially his “nickname “ as I feel it suggests he was somehow special.
We should just remember his victims and forget he existed

VinylDetective · 13/11/2020 12:50

@Spied

I do think his family also deserve some compassion.
Do you? I have zero compassion for a woman who stood by him even after his conviction and claimed not to have noticed anything unusual when she was living with him.

I hope he rots in hell.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 13/11/2020 12:51

I just hope he can be disposed of without undue fuss ... remembering the farce around Ian Brady, maybe it'll be done without details leaking out

user1471565182 · 13/11/2020 12:58

No he was caught in the car with a hammer. Had a woman in the car with him in Sheffield.

yellowhighheels · 13/11/2020 12:58

I wouldn't have thought it would make a huge amount of difference to future enquiries, turquoise, I don't think he would have admitted much more.

I don't know how a posthumous trial works but his DNA and other forensic information are all on record now and its probably that that would incriminate him in any further cases if the evidence was strong enough, rather than anything he would have contributed whilst alive.

Fouroclockonamarblemorning · 13/11/2020 13:05

@Spied

I do think his family also deserve some compassion.
What the wife who stood by him. I have zero compassion.
TheNighthawk · 13/11/2020 13:05

I was working and living in Leeds at the time and remember vividly the fear of this man who seemed to strike randomly. Also the utter failure of the police to catch him.

Two things

  1. The police investigation was scandalously inept and resulted in the deaths of more women than would otherwise have been the case. They interviewed Sutcliffe eight or nine times. They had an accurate photofit from one of the first victims and a description of his accent but chose to believe the fake tape. Their attitude to the victims was judgemental.
  1. Judging by the previous posts I will be flamed for this, but I never thought Sutcliffe got proper justice.

He was a paranoid schizophrenic and this was diagnosed before his trial, but because of the strength of the public feeling and the 'lynch mob mentality' this could not be publicly acknowledged (Cannot tell you how I know this as it would be outing). It was, however, privately accepted and the psychiatrists who had given evidence for his mental illness ware asked, after the verdict (the jury found him sane) what they would recommend for his treatment.

The verdict of sanity led to him being incarcerated in prison and regarded as simply an evil person. He was, however, immediately transferred to the hospital wing to begin treatment.

Much later he was transferred to Broadmoor. He was attacked by other inmates several times in Broadmoor, being maimed and half blinded, so I can only assume he was not sufficiently protected.

Paranoid schizophrenics are very dangerous people and he was a sick, sick man, not intrinsically evil, but the baying mob and the inadequate police and justice system would not allow recognition of this fact.

This does not detract from the suffering of his victims or their families but I would say that the failings of the police and the judicial system have made everyone losers in this case.

BoreOfWhabylon · 13/11/2020 13:15

Nicky Campbell on Radio 5 Live this morning had a fascinating programme about this. Guests and callers were people who were there at the time, including police who detailed how anyone who questioned the validity of the Wearside Jack tape were told they would be taken off the case and put back on traffic/beat duties. Feminist writer and activist Julie Bindel was a student in Leeds at the time and was followed home by a man answering Sutcliffe's description but was told it couldn't be him because when he spoke to her he had a local accent. Also a lot of first-hand information about the investigation, missed opportunities and the arrest.

Campbell started and finished the programme by reading the names of the murdered women. It really is worth a listen

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000p97q

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2020 13:44

police who detailed how anyone who questioned the validity of the Wearside Jack tape were told they would be taken off the case and put back on traffic/beat duties

www.amazon.co.uk/Whoever-Fights-Monsters-Tracking-Killers/dp/0312304684?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Chapter 8 "Staging for deceit"

By the time we finished listening to the tape, more than a few people had gathered at our table. Under the needling stimulus of the Brits, I said to Domaille, “You realize, of course, that the man on the tape is not the killer, don’t you?”

Ginfordinner · 13/11/2020 13:45

I vividly remember the day of his last murder. I left the house in the early evening, before the 6 o’clock news, to get a bus to the Beckett Park campus in Headingly, then walked up St Chad’s Drive and through the park to the swimming pool to join my friends in the canoeing club.

When I walked into the changing room everyone looked at me in surprise and asked how I had got there. When I told them I had walked from the bus stop in the dark, in Headingly so close to where the students had been murdered the evening before (not having heard the news) they all said “Don’t you know what has happened?” That was the last canoeing club session because no-one dared go out after dark.

The Yorkshire Ripper instilled fear in all of us. Lectures and seminars had to be moved around so that they didn’t finish late. Those of us who had trains to catch at the end of the day would walk en masse down to the station. All evening social activities came to a stop. My boyfriend, (now DH) used to get stopped in the car whenever he drove into Leeds. One of his workmates who was from Sunderland got questioned by the police many times – remember the Wearside Jack tapes?

The police investigation was scandalously inept and resulted in the deaths of more women than would otherwise have been the case. They interviewed Sutcliffe eight or nine times. They had an accurate photofit from one of the first victims and a description of his accent but chose to believe the fake tape. Their attitude to the victims was judgemental

I agree. The missed opportunities were scandalous.

I remember reading that the trial was to decide if he was mad or bad, and the consensus was that he was bad.

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MashedSweetSpud · 13/11/2020 13:47

2020 finally has some good news.

theotherfossilsister · 13/11/2020 13:48

thanks @GreyBow

murasaki · 13/11/2020 13:58

Saying their name is the right thing.

Slightly off topic, but I remember with the New Zealand terrorist attack at the Mosques, that Jacinda Arden made a point of saying that she would not say the killer's name, as the victims needed to be remembered, not him. I respected her for that.

MiniTheMinx · 13/11/2020 13:59

@TheNighthawk

I was working and living in Leeds at the time and remember vividly the fear of this man who seemed to strike randomly. Also the utter failure of the police to catch him.

Two things

  1. The police investigation was scandalously inept and resulted in the deaths of more women than would otherwise have been the case. They interviewed Sutcliffe eight or nine times. They had an accurate photofit from one of the first victims and a description of his accent but chose to believe the fake tape. Their attitude to the victims was judgemental.
  1. Judging by the previous posts I will be flamed for this, but I never thought Sutcliffe got proper justice.

He was a paranoid schizophrenic and this was diagnosed before his trial, but because of the strength of the public feeling and the 'lynch mob mentality' this could not be publicly acknowledged (Cannot tell you how I know this as it would be outing). It was, however, privately accepted and the psychiatrists who had given evidence for his mental illness ware asked, after the verdict (the jury found him sane) what they would recommend for his treatment.

The verdict of sanity led to him being incarcerated in prison and regarded as simply an evil person. He was, however, immediately transferred to the hospital wing to begin treatment.

Much later he was transferred to Broadmoor. He was attacked by other inmates several times in Broadmoor, being maimed and half blinded, so I can only assume he was not sufficiently protected.

Paranoid schizophrenics are very dangerous people and he was a sick, sick man, not intrinsically evil, but the baying mob and the inadequate police and justice system would not allow recognition of this fact.

This does not detract from the suffering of his victims or their families but I would say that the failings of the police and the judicial system have made everyone losers in this case.

Agreed, But we do not live in a healthy society. Why it could not be acknowledged that he had Paranoid Schizophrenia? Wasn't it Thatcher's government that sought to bring about "Care in the Community" both as a concept and in actual practice, along with their privatisation agenda and in an attempt to save money. I remember lots of stories around this time and shortly after about dangerous people being let out of hospitals with very little support. There was a lot of fear.

I can only imagine that his diagnosis was played down.

I feel very sad for the families of the victims, but I can't get on board in celebrating someone's death.

CremeEggThief · 13/11/2020 14:00

Surely nobody will be sad about this?

BeaMends · 13/11/2020 14:00

Good. Long overdue. May he rot in hell.

Castieldeansam · 13/11/2020 14:14

I was young, but I remember my mum changing her usual routines, my sister and I were driven to school instead of walking - so she didn't have to walk gone alone. How she didn't ever go visit her mum and dad alone, we always went as a family (they lived in Headingley). We always had to be with someone. The relief when he was caught.
Not sad he's died, more surprised he was still alive so long.

My thoughts are with the families of all the victims.

Nicolastuffedone · 13/11/2020 14:25

Richard McCann phoned Peter Sutcliffes brother, Carl this morning and offered his condolences......

SerendipityJane · 13/11/2020 14:34

@Nicolastuffedone

Richard McCann phoned Peter Sutcliffes brother, Carl this morning and offered his condolences......
Better person than I.
the80sweregreat · 13/11/2020 14:38

My Thoughts are with the families as today's news will bring back such awful memories for them and they have to live with what he did every single day.
I remember the investigation into the police and where they went wrong as a lot of things were overlooked or bungled at the time. It was horrific.
I hope he died a slow and very painful death. The world is a better place without him in it.

Bluntness100 · 13/11/2020 14:51

I don’t really remember it in detail. As I was twelve at the time of his trial, I suspect my father kept me away from it. But obviously heard about it further down the line

I just can’t understand why his wife stayed in contact. I get why she didn’t speak out, she deserves privacy, I assume she didn’t know, but I can’t get my head round staying in contact with him for decades after.

Janegrey333 · 13/11/2020 15:02

Oh god, what a vile creature he was.