Would you attend a peaceful protest if a convicted paedophile moved into your street?

[thefourgp]

I’ve never attended anything similar before and I’m in two minds about going. He was convicted (I’ve read the newspaper articles which show his photo) and has been released after serving half his sentence. I don’t know if he owns the property but he’s moved in with his wife who stood by him. There’s a peaceful protest being arranged. Would you go?

Sentencing needs to get stricter. A couple of years for raping a child is abhorrent. A couple of years inside is nowhere near enough for the lasting devastation their crimes causes their victims.
It should be up there in terms of sentencing as murder.

And if castration works, go for it and should be done before any release is considered.

Castration, indefinite life in prison and capital punishment are all nonsense. I am assuming people suggest these to show their outrage rather than as serious suggestions.

If you make stuff up about what people who don’t agree with you are actually saying on this thread, it’s no wonder you’re called “unenlightened”
The website quoted specifically mentions considering the offenders needs, getting them into hobbies and re integrating them into society...

@FamilyOfAliens thank you, I find the work really rewarding. I also know that I am contributing positively to the management of this issue, unlike some others on the post, who have poured scorn on everything so far, yet been completely unable to provide a legal and sensible alternative.

Chemical castration? Or a couple of bricks if they don't fancy that.

Sentencing needs to be stricter, a peadophile can groom and share images of children and get less than 10 years and as you say be out on license sooner than that. Many people who share image of CSE don't even get a custodial sentence. Why?

Honestly whatever contribution they can posibly make to society is negated by the fact that they abuse children, 5 years in prison isn't going to fix them and sitting around talking about why they feel the need to rape children isn't going to help them either.

Mrs you are unable to unwilling to see that the outcome of the things you've taken out of context is for the good of children and wider society. No one can make you think otherwise. Carry on thinking that these giving volunteers are simply pandering to the wants of paedophiles if you wish but you're promulgating ignorance throughout this thread.

@MrsJunglelow

If you make stuff up about what people who don’t agree with you are actually saying on this thread, it’s no wonder you’re called “unenlightened” The website quoted specifically mentions considering the offenders needs, getting them into hobbies and re integrating them into society...

Of course it does! They are the most vilified of peole. Their crime is one that horrifies everyone. They live in secret, in fear of being found out. They are real life Pariahs. Such men get to a pint where they have nothing to lose!

But give them conections to their community, normal activities to do, the semblance of a normal life they become easier to reach, to talk to, to support, to educate.

That's working with them to reduce reoffending rates.

What is it you want to do to them ? How will that work?

I don't find a burglar any less evil than a sexual predator. Neither give a flying eff for anyone else, and neither care one bit about their victims. They just pursue their own lusts - whatever they may be - and to hell with the people who get hurt along the way. It just so happens to be that the pedophile was born with specific predilections, while the burglar has other drives
I’m not going into some of the sadistic, shocking things an abuser did to a person I know because it wouldn’t be fair on the victim and some of them are so unbelievable I think some would have trouble believing it actually happened but I have to say that comment is truly shocking and really shows how very little you know.
The two crimes are in no way comparable, not even close.

Good which island? Under what jurisdiction? Who will enforce it?

@DrDavidBanner

Chemical castration? Or a couple of bricks if they don't fancy that.

Sentencing needs to be stricter, a peadophile can groom and share images of children and get less than 10 years and as you say be out on license sooner than that. Many people who share image of CSE don't even get a custodial sentence. Why?

Honestly whatever contribution they can posibly make to society is negated by the fact that they abuse children, 5 years in prison isn't going to fix them and sitting around talking about why they feel the need to rape children isn't going to help them either.

Why? Possibly because that's how the law is written - by men on the whole! Same as rape the law is utterly inadequate and deosn't reflect the opinion of the masses.

If prison sentences and accountability groups don't work what do you suggest?

Chemical castration has been tried... it filed.. and there are some very unpleasant corollaries to that as a law!

A couple of bricks/physical castration - again, we don't have capital punishment.

So unless we are talking about full integration within the community we aren’t taking this seriously and just doing it to show outrage. Carry on thinking what you want and making assumptions about the motivations from posters. If we want to go down that road of assumptions it’s in my experience those who shout the loudest to bring down people and ignore their viewpoints aren’t at all as open minded as they pretend.

Castration isn’t 💯 but 1 in 3 is still less paedophiles on the streets.

And the poster who mentioned the spelling doesn’t use autocorrect or dyslexia. Even though I think I have the spelling correct spell check is querying it.

@MrsJunglelow

If you make stuff up about what people who don’t agree with you are actually saying on this thread, it’s no wonder you’re called “unenlightened” The website quoted specifically mentions considering the offenders needs, getting them into hobbies and re integrating them into society...

And you posted:

It’s not ‘unenlightened’ to not want to welcome child abusers into society with open arms, to not want to consider their needs and share hobbies with them.

Quite a leap from what you read in the Circles website.

FGS are people actually fucking serious about castration?

I know you're being snarky, but yes they are more evil then them and they deserve it. I rejoice whenever I hear about sex offenders getting a taste of their own medicine in prison. And who do you think these prisoners are? The bloke up the road who just happened to get caught having one too many and driving?

The chap who falsely claimed some benefits?

Someone who defrauded a bank but that’s ok because the banks have enough to lose anyway?

No. They’re the murderers, the rapists, those in for domestic violence, even against children sometimes. They’re the drug dealers selling drugs to the children they claim to be standing up for.

Anyone who thinks that prisoners who beat up child sex offenders do it out of some kind of moral judgement is naive. They do it for notoriety. Beat up a “paedo” and you’ll earn the respect of your fellow prisoners. Doesn’t matter that you beat up your wife every night for several years and that your children are the product of the times you raped her. You beat up a “Paedo” so that makes you a hero.

CanI - if people are going to insist upon using flippant terms used by the terminally stupid, then the least they can do is spell them correctly.

‘Paedo’ is bad. Peado, pedo, peedo, are worse.

@AlternativePerspective

I know you're being snarky, but yes they are more evil then them and they deserve it. I rejoice whenever I hear about sex offenders getting a taste of their own medicine in prison. And who do you think these prisoners are? The bloke up the road who just happened to get caught having one too many and driving?

The chap who falsely claimed some benefits?

Someone who defrauded a bank but that’s ok because the banks have enough to lose anyway?

No. They’re the murderers, the rapists, those in for domestic violence, even against children sometimes. They’re the drug dealers selling drugs to the children they claim to be standing up for.

Anyone who thinks that prisoners who beat up child sex offenders do it out of some kind of moral judgement is naive. They do it for notoriety. Beat up a “paedo” and you’ll earn the respect of your fellow prisoners. Doesn’t matter that you beat up your wife every night for several years and that your children are the product of the times you raped her. You beat up a “Paedo” so that makes you a hero.

Yup.

[quote BananaPop2020]@FamilyOfAliens thank you, I find the work really rewarding. I also know that I am contributing positively to the management of this issue, unlike some others on the post, who have poured scorn on everything so far, yet been completely unable to provide a legal and sensible alternative.[/quote]
It’s so refreshing to hear of someone doing something to help resolve the problem, rather than posting nonsense about castration and sending them to live on a island.

I can understand anyone feeling that’s what they wish they could do. But it’s just pissing in the wind and it’s pointless for people to keep rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of inflicting violence in these people. Focus on what you can do for children, fgs, and put your pitchfork away.

I attended one stood outside my garden to be nosy in my street a couple of months ago. I ended up going back in the house as there was nothing peaceful about it. The protest went on for 3 nights with adults screaming abuse and bringing their children along . There was about 10 vans full of police all stood around his house all day and night. It was an absolute disgrace children and teenagers shouting abuse at neighbours and the police. He never even got moved in the end but the group who organised it have been successful in getting others moved.

And what about the paedophiles that were productive in society in terms of employment and work? Having all of that didn’t stop them from raping children. About a year ago local school lost all their computers because of a staff members actions out of school. He knew what he did was wrong, didn’t stop him though.

The success rate of rehabilitation in relation to other crimes is dismally low. Why would it be any different for these individuals?

Cani the school lost all its computers because of an investigation into a staff member? What do you mean?

Okay so what is the answer?

A proper prison sentence is unacceptable and castration breeches their human rights even though they've lost their humanity

Do we keep our kids indoors and offline instead? They're allowed their rights so we have to keep temptation away from them?

It’s not just paedophiles that get prison justice. The wife batterer won’t disclose his crimes to other inmates either because of fear of prison justice.

I am not sure what a protest would achieve. Is it to try and make his life intolerable so he might move?

I know it is problem as my sibling has the same in their street. But they have never demonstrated - they just make sue that new people moving in know about it.

I had someone working here whom I later discovered was a convicted paedophile; and the children were around when he was here. Nothing to be done by that time, but I will not use him again; and I made sure the nearby primary school was aware, so that they would know not to employ him.

I do not believe that paedophiles ever change. A challenge for society.