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Come on Trump

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CanThisBeOverSoon · 04/11/2020 06:43

It's so close I can't watch...

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hetanom · 04/11/2020 09:31

This thread title demonstrates the importance of commas.

Samcro · 04/11/2020 09:32

@Orangesarenottheonlyfruit

Yes. Come on Trump, please don't let the door hit you in the way out. You hideous, racist, divisive vile excuse for a human.
what they said.
Wales34 · 04/11/2020 09:38

What do you think of the crime bill the that biden and clinton passed ? Do you think helped racial inequality in America?

JamieLeeCurtains · 04/11/2020 09:43

@hetanom

This thread title demonstrates the importance of commas.
Doesn't it just.
goose124 · 04/11/2020 09:46

i'm just shocked that the democrats didn't have a stronger, more credible candidate to field against Trump than Biden. Biden may yet win, but if he does, it will be by a whisker. Trump should've been really easy to beat, by the correct candidate. He's an inarticulate buffoon, with a weak grasp of politics. A decent candidate should've been celebrating a landslide victory against Trump today.

Lifeisabeach09 · 04/11/2020 09:46

@frumpety

I know people who have voted for Trump, they are voting for the Republican party and what they believe that stands for and how it will impact their life. I am fairly sure they are no more stupid than I am, they certainly lean to the right politically at the moment, but I wouldn't say they are hard right.
I do too. Trump's rhetoric of making 'America great again' and bringing back jobs appeals to a lot of people, regardless of colour and SES. Many Americans will vote Republican because of taxes (lower taxes), guns (being able to have them), jobs and the military.

And, as I mentioned upthread, Biden is old-there is always the possibility he'll die in office so Americans look at who the VP will be. I don't believe America is ready for a woman (of colour) to be president.

PerkingFaintly · 04/11/2020 09:50

the alternative to that is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship of sorts, which is not accountable to anybody. Generally, these don’t go well, but it does seem people would find this preferable as the ‘wrong’ people keep getting in.

Yes.

Unfortunately people who "find this preferable" are currently in office in the US, and have spent the last four years using their power of office to stop "wrong" people getting in.

Or longer, in the case of Mitch McConnell who blocked the appointment of a Dem Supreme Court nominee "because it's wrong to appoint one in a President's last year", and has just allowed the appointment of Supreme Court nominee in a Republican president's last days.

Entryists are of course keen to preach the virtues of democracy to their opponents while their own guys drive a troika and three through it.

For those of us who actually support democracy rather than see it as merely a convenient, temporary means to an end, this is a challenge without a clear answer. Democracies can be driven to fail, as we have seen in the C20th.

Once a regime is in power which is prepared to break important things to keep that power, response to that regime through the rules is doomed to failure (because the regime breaks the rules); and a response to that regime outwith the rules means the response itself breaks the fabric of the democracy further.

The members of the dictatorship create a perfect cleft stick. It's great for them, and a nightmare for the country.

winewolfhowls · 04/11/2020 09:50

Vetinari for the win!

Wales34 · 04/11/2020 09:50

No you're wrong . I added a word , and missed one out by accident. No comma needed. I am typing on my phone and managing a 4 month old . I am more interested in people answering the question I posed . Surely this is more important ? Let me guess , I don't support Joe Biden so must be uneducated Smile.

winewolfhowls · 04/11/2020 09:51

Sorry that was supposed to be quoting the previous post about preferring a benevolent dictatorship

hamstersarse · 04/11/2020 09:51

@deathgrip

If you haven't yet understood why people have moved from left to right at the moment, you haven't been listening.

And I get the impression you still aren't listening.

Wales34 · 04/11/2020 09:52

Sorry you weren't talking to me Blush

Sarahandco · 04/11/2020 09:52

I think they will still be re - counting in January

PlanDeRaccordement · 04/11/2020 10:01

@winewolfhowls

Sorry that was supposed to be quoting the previous post about preferring a benevolent dictatorship
No such thing as a benevolent dictatorship. It’s like saying you’d prefer a flying pig to a pig in mud.
Bathroom12345 · 04/11/2020 10:03

I agree with some of the PP regarding superior left wingers stating that if you agree with them you are xxxx and xxxx.

Who the hell do they think they are! As others have said - time and time again the Left are trouched, look what Momentum did to the Labour Party last year. In fact look what JC and MD do! Worst election result since before the war!

And yet they call people names. Biden was a poor poor opposition. He doesnt have huge mental capacity and will literally be propped up by people who havent been voted in.

Trump is a fighter. He loves the US. He puts them first. Americans like that very much.

Shame on the Democrats for putting such a rubbish candidate up. He is an old duffer who should have retired years ago.

RunningFromInsanity · 04/11/2020 10:06

@Deathraystare

He seemed to do well in Florida. Can any Floridians justify voting for the Orange Donald?
Guns. They love their guns and ‘right to bear arms’ Sad
RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 04/11/2020 10:07

Not a fan of my countries pm either but I'll take him over Trump any day

Hells yeah

I saw people saying that johnson was the uks trump

I just thought ‘ oh hey now 🥺thats just mean, i don't like johnson a but it's just nasty to say he's like trump’

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 04/11/2020 10:10

I've never felt such a visceral hatred for anyone before. I actually feel nauseated when I look at his face

Ooo missed this early but deffo

I used to ‘like’ him in American apprentice, can’t even look at him now

Its his mouth...oh my god and his voice...and that stupid finger thing he does

PerkingFaintly · 04/11/2020 10:12

hanstersarse, no, you can't join my gang. Not even if you want to.

Because I don't have a gang.

If your validation comes though joining someone's gang, you'll have to find someone who enjoys having acolytes.

By the way, I am listening and I've learned a lot from watching people lay out their workings on MN.

It honestly wouldn't have occurred to me before that people would have the self-knowledge to articulate, but still see no problem with, statements like, "I voted Remain, but there's some guy at work who's a dick and I know he voted Remain, so if I could vote again I'd vote Leave."

That's an actual post I saw on MN, from someone in a well-educated profession. It had just never occurred to me before that humans behaved like that in a secret ballot for something which would have a real-life impact on them.

So I've learned a lot.

Nobdienowhere · 04/11/2020 10:16

It's really frustrating to see intelligent women still spouting the 'orange man bad' narrative.
I appreciate that he gets no news coverage for the extremely positive bills that he has been pushing though. You do actually need to go to the White House website and find it for yourself, as I did. Quite eye opening.

He has done so much to stop the trafficking of women and children. It isn't a case of separating children from their parents. The adults trafficking children are NOT their parents in most cases, but when they are? If you actually understand what this is for, it all makes a lot of sense.

The cages? That was Obama and Biden actually.

Please go and actually research what Trump has done, as opposed to listening to the rubbish spouted in the media.
He isn't perfect, and I'm happy to debate factual information.

Unfortunately every single Trump thread descends into a bunch of grown women throwing around playground insults. It's disappointing and embarrassing.

Wtfdidwedo · 04/11/2020 10:23

Yes Obama introduced the cages to house men crossing the border alone who were thought to be criminals. Trump's administration made the decision to put children in them.

freddosfrogs · 04/11/2020 10:29

Unfortunately every single Trump thread descends into a bunch of grown women throwing around playground insults. It's disappointing and embarrassing.

Well as trump's supporters look to their leader for behaviour cues that's inevitable.

Bathroom12345 · 04/11/2020 10:51

I wonder as well why people vote for Biden. I only see an old man with some failing mental capacity who is winning votes because he isnt Trump. What he is all about? I fear that there will be a massive power struggle going on if he gets in with unelected people and his wife/VP whispering in his ear.

He doesnt seem very capable at all and is more than likely to pass away or be medically retired during his term.

PerkingFaintly · 04/11/2020 10:56

Why is Trump having so much trouble winning this election?

Sitting presidents usually win.

He inherited a growth economy from Obama.

As president, he has access to a number of levers and has shown himself very happy to pull them, regardless of ethics (tax delays which look like tax cuts but aren't – but the bill comes after the election; using the White House and the office for political campaigning...)

He has a friendly media. Sure, not all media outlets are pro-Trump, but dominant media groups like Fox and Sinclair are. He even has National Inquirer on his side: they paid good money to catch-and-kill an inconvenient story.

Posters on MN assure us he's very, very popular! Popular with women! Popular with the military! Popular with people of colour! Popular with the less well off!

So why is it nearly 11 am GMT the day after the election and it's still on a knife edge?

SoupDragon · 04/11/2020 10:58

Why is Trump having so much trouble winning this election?

He says he's already won (and has lawyers on stand by to prove it if the ballot says otherwise)

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