Come on Trump

[CanThisBeOverSoon]

It's so close I can't watch...

Well, I’d personally prefer a democracy, but this is the risk of democratic rule, isn’t it?

Would we rather a benevolent dictatorship?

I'd like to know how they've ended up with these 2 candidates?? Where are the young up and coming politicians in the USA??

@Lifeisabeach09

What a fucking insane place.

Brits can hardly criticise...Bojo, Brexit. Both countries are following the same popular nationalist rhetoric.

Was about to say the same!

Can't be that baffling when you live (presuming the poster who claim it is do) in a country which voted for Brexit and Johnson.

It's going to the wire isn't it ? Be interesting if Nancy Pelosi got to caretake for a while ?

@skippy67

I'd like to know how they've ended up with these 2 candidates?? Where are the young up and coming politicians in the USA??

There were other candidates but they dropped out. Biden and the incumbent were the popular choices...

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/us/politics/2020-presidential-candidates.html

Would we rather a benevolent dictatorship?

Nothing would suprise me anymore in 2020 !

@CherryValanc I was the poster and I certainly did not vote for the Conservative party (we don't vote for people in the UK) or Brexit, as I live in a very deprived ex mining town so would have to be insane to do so. Presumably the majority of people who don't like Trump also don't like Boris Johnson though.

@TracyBeakerSoYeah

The problem is though if one of trumps kids runs for election with Trump as Vice President, he'd still potentially be pulling the strings and his supporters would probably realise this and possibly vote his child into power in that basis.

But that’s not what I’m asking, frumpety

Ultimately, who people vote for, and why, and for what reasons is always something that will change, wane, adapt, over history and according to what is happening in the world at any one time.

If we are to say ‘Trump is bad, Trump is wrong, he should not be voted for’ then that’s fine up to a point, but we have to accept that if we want democracy, sometimes what we perceive to be the ‘wrong’ people/parties will be in power.

If we don’t, then we need to accept the alternative to that is not a democracy, it’s a dictatorship of sorts, which is not accountable to anybody. Generally, these don’t go well, but it does seem people would find this preferable as the ‘wrong’ people keep getting in.

Presumably the majority of people who don't like Trump also don't like Boris Johnson though.

A lot of (not all) Americans are very insular-I highly doubt many Americans know who BJ is.

@quietpersonattheback

Oh come on ... we might have a Tory government in, but our right wing and America’s right wing are as different as night and day.

The right wing in the USA is more obvious, here it's an insidious, creeping menace.

@Lifeisabeach09

Presumably the majority of people who don't like Trump also don't like Boris Johnson though.

A lot of (not all) Americans are very insular-I highly doubt many Americans know who BJ is.

I wasn't talking about Americans sorry, I was arguing back with those saying British people can't criticise the US because of Boris Johnson.

If we are to say ‘Trump is bad, Trump is wrong, he should not be voted for’ then that’s fine up to a point, but we have to accept that if we want democracy, sometimes what we perceive to be the ‘wrong’ people/parties will be in power.

I agree. Trump might not be A LOT of people's choice as president (he certainly isn't mine!) but he got (and is getting) millions of votes. To badmouth his supporters for being idiots, or disgusting, or insane, is pretty damn wrong, IMO. It's their choice and, I daresay, they have their reasons.
The point of democracy-dissension and disagreement.

The liberal bloody elite have to stop wringing their hands in horror at this.

How was Biden meant to appeal to them?

The disenfranchised feel very differently.

Who blames them?

It’s the same effect here with Brexit.

They might be idiots, disgusting, insane. I don’t know. But do we withdraw the vote from people on that basis?

It doesn’t take much imagination to realise that a system where only people who earn a certain amount, or have an IQ above a certain point, or have no history of mental illness, is one so corrupt Trump looks mild in comparison.

@frumpety

It's going to the wire isn't it ? Be interesting if Nancy Pelosi got to caretake for a while ?

Now Pelosi would make an interesting and, IMO, good president...shame she doesn't run.

@hamstersarse

The left just don’t seem to be able to learn anything from these ‘unexpected’ results

And this is exactly why a part of me sorely wishes for a Trump win. Because the moral superiority and smugness of the left has led to loss after loss, in the UK and US (let's not forget the Supreme Court - that one will hurt them for a long time). I thought they'd learn some lessons from the last 4 years, but they've hardly budged the needle on one of the most incompetent presidents in decades. And that's a sad indictment of the state of left wing politics. So yes, Go Trump!

@Thehouseofmarvels
That is a terrifying thought.
I truly hope that never ever happens & fingers crossed he will lose this election.

@LST

Please god tell me this is a joke thread.. or you mean 'come on trump lose?'

People are allowed to have a different opinion to you .

What really is terrifying is authoritarian countries, do people really want Saudi Arabia?

@hamstersarse

It makes me despair on these threads how the left wingers continue to totally misread situations

Do you think that calling people who vote differently to you racist bigots will make them want to be ‘in your gang’?

I used to be left. But no longer. And no sign I’ll come back seeing as I’m constantly receiving abuse from the left with their sanctimonious patronising vitriol

It’ll be the same here unless the left sorts itself out and stop being so nasty

You’re saying you completely changed your politics because some people on the left are nasty?

I agree some people on the left are proper arseholes. Same goes for the right. Has no bearing on my own personal views or priorities though. I can’t imagine fundamentally changing from “being left” because of other people.

If he wins - and it looks as if he could - it will solidify 2020’s claim to being The Most Shit Year Ever. And I will be all out of faith in humanity.

I know people who have voted for Trump, they are voting for the Republican party and what they believe that stands for and how it will impact their life.
I am fairly sure they are no more stupid than I am, they certainly lean to the right politically at the moment, but I wouldn't say they are hard right.

I didn’t read hamsters post like that. I read it like this.

In 2015, there was a Tory majority for the first time since 1992. It was a huge, huge shock. There were a lot of threads on MN hand wringing about it.

In 2016, the U.K. voted for Brexit. I know individuals didn’t, but as a nation, we did. It was a huge, huge shock. MN exploded.

Later in 2016, the USA voted for Trump. It was a huge, huge shock. Etc.

Then in late 2019, boris Johnson won by a landslide. It was a huge ...

Have people become, since 2010, more inherently evil, selfish, cruel, callous and greedy?

Or are they responding to other factors?

I tend to think the latter and that it is lazy to work on the assumption Trump/BoJo supporters are and people who haven’t yet awoken to the error of their ways.

It’s a bit like the relationship between predator and prey: it’s easy to malign the wolves but you don’t get an abundance of them without plenty of bison (or whatever they eat.)