ADs self isolate in a fridge Boris style

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We've polished off our hotel breakfasts, flocked to the beaches and eaten out to help out with Rishi. Now the D-Day style floatilla of Anti-Dementor boats weather the stormy seas of tiers 1, 2 and 3 and support each other through the calls for lockdown.

Hold on tight and get those bouyancy aids on...

When I had lonely days on mat leave, small talk down the library, or the shops did a lot to keep me feeling part of society. On that level, libraries are not open at all even if they are avaliable as a book exchange option.

I go with what DM wants. I'm not going to be sanctimonious about being proper and seeing her in the garden, because the risk of ill health or at least discomfort from her arthritus is far, far higher than letting her choose to be indoors. She survived pneumonia with no medication in WW2 when civilian supplies were low and the newly fledged antibiotics were military use only.

Lonliness is a killer.

I was fucking lonely back in June despite having my family constantly around. But a DH spending hours upstairs dealing with work and calls, a 9yo with an ASD fixation on WW2 battle strategy in the Pacific and a 7yo obsessed with pokemon battles do not satisfy my full needs for social contact.
Neither socially stimulated nor alone. At least school gives me a bit more interraction at the ends of the day and some headspace.

It’s like MH has slipped off the agenda, before it was talked about and people were trying to do something. Now when people say they’re not ok, they’re told that at least they’re not dying a horrible death from Covid. It’s ok not to be ok until the land of Covid. Then the devil take the hindmost.
It’s like the people with cardiac chest pain who don’t want to go to hospital because they’re terrified of getting it. I’m afraid I tell them that the heart attack you’re having now will kill you if you don’t get treatment, the Covid you haven’t got, may well never get and even if you do it’s not an automatic death sentence.
Thousands of people are having their lives shortened by a significant amount because of the restrictions but they won’t appear on any lists for years. Dementia is accelerating, cancer is not being treated, not just because treatment has been suspended, but because of fear, people with symptoms are not getting it checked out because they’re fucking terrified of the death sentence that Covid has been made out to be.

My FIL is 86 and has been in hospital for a fortnight with a twisted bowel and low potassium. He had no idea how to work a mobile phone or iPad, there’s no telly and he can’t read anymore due to his eyesight. Nobody is allowed to visit. SIL works in the hospital and was popping in to calm him down but the head nurse on the ward put a stop to this. He’s desperately lonely and this is inhuman.

@Recycledblonde I'm not sure people are staying away from a/e. People are less fearful of corona so attendance is near enough back to normal, that on top of people presenting with corona symptoms is causing a logistical nightmare at our hospital.

Putting all the covid-positive people into one care home is like the system in South Korea where anyone who tests positive is put into quarantine in a 'medical facility'.

It seems it works in that they seem to have contained the spread of covid there, but I think many of us consider the problems of either approach outweigh the benefits.

I think the elderly people should be able to choose how they want to live. It is patronising to think they can't be aware of the risks or able to choose. My relative (elderly) is very ill and to be honest covid may be a blessing for them as they are suffering so much. But it is not possible to say this of course.

Had an odd email from school saying they have a case bit staying open and can attend as normal. Not saying which class or year or anything. OK.

[quote Liquorishlucy]@Recycledblonde I'm not sure people are staying away from a/e. People are less fearful of corona so attendance is near enough back to normal, that on top of people presenting with corona symptoms is causing a logistical nightmare at our hospital.[/quote]
It’s not in our trust, we’ve dropped down to the lowest level of “alertness”, only the second time I’ve known that in 10 years. Possibly the idiots are still going with their smelly belly buttons🙈 and we are sending loads of overdoses and self harm cases in but a lot of people are still convinced they will instantly get Covid and then die. I know it’s different in other trusts though as we’re providing help to them at the moment.
Conversely very few people are actually self isolating when a member of their household has symptoms, they’re phoning 999 and then when I triage them and say government rules are that you all have to self isolate until a negative test or 14 days whichever is sooner, they are surprised and you get the strong impression that they have no intention of doing it. It doesn’t seem to be making any difference to our infection rates though.

@Orangeblossom7777

I think the elderly people should be able to choose how they want to live. It is patronising to think they can't be aware of the risks or able to choose. My relative (elderly) is very ill and to be honest covid may be a blessing for them as they are suffering so much. But it is not possible to say this of course.

Had an odd email from school saying they have a case bit staying open and can attend as normal. Not saying which class or year or anything. OK.

@Orangeblossom7777 absolutely. There’s a real sense that the elderly should just shut up and be grateful that they’re being ‘protected’ and haven’t seen their grandchildren since March.

FIL told DH on he hospital phone (premium rate number!) that he wanted to come home and die there, no matter how much pain he was in. That was horrible for DH to hear. He spoke to the consultant who said ok, this illness your dad currently has isn’t going to kill him so let’s just get him better and home ASAP. He was actually very clear and empathetic, which was such a relief after some of the folk at the hospital that DH had spoken to.

Morning all found you.
Great new thread title and intro thanks Bog.
Was AWOL from life yesterday. Not on Mn or FB for more than a few (sane) minutes. I binged watched TWD instead to catch up and only did the basics of feeding kids, did the washing etc😄 I dont want to know what batshit new idea has popped up out the magic 8 ball our glorious leaders are using. Its all BS. And they can stick them where the sun don't shine. The effects of this shitstorm will have devastating consequences for years to come and i am beyond angry at the whole incompetent lot of them.
I am refreshed and ready to attack the jobs that need doing.

💐 to everyone stuck in the ridiculous tier system that just seems pot luck. Like they are sticking pins in a map blindfolded.

Reed i sympathise re your fil. My dad went into hosp with a simple urine infection, all his own marbles, only needed a walker to get about in living in a residential home. Came out immobile, severely demented, incontinent. Straight into a nursing home. The lack of insight, lack of effort to keep him mobile, screwed with his meds, no communication and actual lies they told me were a revalation to me. 🌸

Just to be clear i am not bashing all medical staff. Just those involved at that point in time. I have been in hosp over the weekend and the ward staff were bloody lovely as the vast majority of nurses and Drs are.

I confess i dont sanitise trolley handles. If i put hand gel on why doesnt that work? Why do it twice?

I watched NES much older than 6 and blubbed my eyes out😄

KBO.

I similarly refused calls to sanitise my wheely bin handles any more than usual because it's a bloody bin so of course it's bloody filthy and if you were expecting to safely eat your lunch off it pre-covid then you're a bloody idiot.

Love this. 🤣

grateful that they’re being ‘protected’

this reminds me of a book called On being mortal illness, death and what matters in the end by Atul Gawande, lots about how the focus on keeping the eldery 'safe' (pre covid) takes away independence and leads to decline. An interesting read. there is a thing called anorexia of ageing where they basically just give up and stop eating. This is happening to our relative. Although partly due to illness too.

Also, frailty is a risk for covid (despite the focus on obesity many of the old people were frail)- which of course is made worse by being locked up. It's all just horrible.

I wonder if some good may come out of it away from these care homes and into things like sheltered housing. I have another relative there and at least they have some independence. They have chosen to stop carers coming in and I have helped with that, putting it on hold (Scotland) meaning they are struggling a bit but had that choice and sending food online. they can go in and out as they want and meet people outdoors, which is something I suppose.

This is why nightingale hospitals are not being used.

Because they are ICU units, intended to save the existing ICU units being overrun.
They are only suitable for unconscious patients and have no facilities to care for conscious people.
No toilets, washing facilities, etc etc

The tier system is bizarre. I can only conclude that it allows petty tyrants to vent their spleen. I suspect the unelected (his term ran out months ago) London mayor just really really hates London for some reason. I love London and emigrated to the UK so I could live there and I hate what these measures are doing to my beloved city.

@ISaySteadyOn how will Khan enforce this tier 2 in London such a huge sprawling area?

Good point.

I don't understand why London mayor is seemingly not worried about jobs / money but the Manchester one is. It all seems a bit mad. Why can they not just leave them if that is here they want to stay (Manchester)

@justasking111

This is why nightingale hospitals are not being used.

Because they are ICU units, intended to save the existing ICU units being overrun.
They are only suitable for unconscious patients and have no facilities to care for conscious people.
No toilets, washing facilities, etc etc

One might even think such ‘hospitals’ were never actually designed to receive real patients at all!

Not bashing the NHS but people get ignored in hospital. Years ago my DM was in and the nurse told her off for not reminding them she needed her pain killers. She was barely conscious, only woke up when in pain!
And I can remember when my DG once stockpiled her medication, because she wanted to die. She stockpiled her water tablets, not sure what they would have done. But was only a weeks worth, because my DAunty, changed her bedding weekly.
Selfishly I’m terrified we are going into tier 3.
I’m definitely getting a funny face mask.
I’m feeling stressed so I am baking, the diet is going so well, not.

@MissEWeatherwax
You have to put a picture up of you in your funny mask - even if that's the only time you wear it

Oh for goodness sake, just seen this on BBC about the new levels thing

We've had some clarification on what the rules are on visiting friends and family for people in Tier 2 areas of England.

BBC health correspondent Catherine Burns says: "It's going to be illegal for people from these high-risk areas like London to visit the homes of people in lower risk areas.

"That will also apply to meeting them inside pubs and restaurants."

This does not mean you cannot see others - but such visits will have to be restricted to outdoor spaces, or gardens.

Those in Tier 2 are allowed to meet as many as five other people in someone else's private garden - but not if they have to go through their house to get to it.

"This is something that is stricter than it used to be," said our health correspondent. "You might remember in England, earlier this summer when the lockdown was starting to be eased, people were allowed to walk through homes quickly to go to gardens.

"They were even allowed to nip in and use the loo. I called the Department of Health and Social care today to check and they have said that is no longer the case."

I would have to put on sunglasses and my hoodie pulled up. But then I wouldn’t be able to wear if I go to the A centre. Because people might know who I am. I suppose it will hide my bitch resting face.

I never did summon up the courage to put my wedding veil on at the supermarket.

I wonder how cone man got on. He was going into the supermarket as I came out. A small sports cone with elastic ear loops attached. I said that I loved it and it looked very breathable

It’s ridiculous. How can it be “illegal” to go visit someone? Wtf are they doing to us? Has a law actually been passed regarding this?

I’m fumin!! It’s well beyond a joke now.

I saw a t shirt at the beginning of lock down that read It is a moral duty to disobey unjust laws

I think I may quietly take those words to heart. These are unjust and inhumane restrictions and I have had enough. I'm not going to riot as that's not my style but I am not going to stop my children playing with their friends.

Saw a headline this morning "following negotiations Lancashire has now been moved into tier 3"

If there are negotiations and room for manoeuvre with these restrictions then how are they in any way informed by anything??