ADs self isolate in a fridge Boris style

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We've polished off our hotel breakfasts, flocked to the beaches and eaten out to help out with Rishi. Now the D-Day style floatilla of Anti-Dementor boats weather the stormy seas of tiers 1, 2 and 3 and support each other through the calls for lockdown.

Hold on tight and get those bouyancy aids on...

For you lovely lot xx

If that fucking circuit breaker does happen, in Wales or anywhere else, we must get ready to make LOTS OF FUCKING NOISE if things do not reopen PROMPTLY when it is supposed to end. The public needs a way to hit back at the three bellends! (I'm using that as an insult now, I'm getting bored with saying "Saint Boris" all the time.)

There are lots of headlines on our side this morning: circuit breaks would cause endless cycle of lockdowns (Express): I'm glad somebody is speaking publicly about this. The same could be said of the original lockdown, and the chief bellend said that it's easy to remove freedoms, but harder to restore them to the terrified public.

Tory grandees demand exit strategy (Telegraph): yes, the clown needs to take the bell off his head and SPEAK about this.

Blair broke quarantine: not surprising, as mass murderers don't have a moral compass, and he always thought himself more omnipotent than God.

Plus the first quarantine risked pushing more severe cases into winter by damping down transmission while we had the good weather and better immune systems.
I felt at that time we needed two or three weeks breathing space at the beginning, to watch Europe and to make our own better plans but I was worried we'd locked down for too long into spring and summer.

I dont want to lockdown again. Because if we do, we'll be doing it again and again for the next 12 months, with other restrictions on top of it.

I need to be able to plan.

I could tolerate a short sharp lockdown if there were legal guarantees that it would end after the set period but don't think that would be the case. NI have said they will review their measures on 2nd Nov which worries me (although in England myself). I don't trust Twat Wansocks et al not to get to the end of 2 weeks and go the figures aren't quite where we want them (having never said where they want them) and extend and then extend again.

@Littlebelina Precisely this.

On the other hand, if it happened, they PROMISED on pain of having their heads chopped off to end it on a fixed date, come what may, and actually saw this promise through, it could restore some public trust in the three bellends... but pigs might fly instead of that happening.

Even George of the Famous Five saw through things like that, when she was made to behave well towards her tutor Mr Roland, whom she loathed.

"They said a week. Can't you try for a week?"
"No. At the end of the week, Mr Roland will say I must try for another week."

@wanderings

If that fucking circuit breaker does happen, in Wales or anywhere else, we must get ready to make LOTS OF FUCKING NOISE if things do not reopen PROMPTLY when it is supposed to end. The public needs a way to hit back at the three bellends! (I'm using that as an insult now, I'm getting bored with saying "Saint Boris" all the time.)

There are lots of headlines on our side this morning: circuit breaks would cause endless cycle of lockdowns (Express): I'm glad somebody is speaking publicly about this. The same could be said of the original lockdown, and the chief bellend said that it's easy to remove freedoms, but harder to restore them to the terrified public.

Tory grandees demand exit strategy (Telegraph): yes, the clown needs to take the bell off his head and SPEAK about this.

Blair broke quarantine: not surprising, as mass murderers don't have a moral compass, and he always thought himself more omnipotent than God.

This. Agree 100%.

The gas lighting that went on with the initial lockdown about when the reviews would happen and things would open up means I have no faith in them relaxing any of the new restrictions.

I feel just the same @Littlebelina I can't see any short lockdown actually being short. It'll just be a continuous extension like last time when nobody knows what the aim is. If Wales do it I think England will follow.

I don't believe for a minute that Drakeford will only lock us down for two or three weeks. We'll be making much more use of the exemptions this time though - I'm not willing for DH's mental health to deteriorate any more.

Incidentally Wales' rules are a good bit stricter than England's on most things already... so if that hadn't made any difference, what's the point, and if it has, why do we need lockdown part 2?

If we lock down that'll be it all winter. Like you all say the "numbers" won't be good enough even though they won't tell the general public what they're aiming for.

I've resigned myself to the fact that all I now have is work and home, because fun is once again banned. I've give up even trying to plan a wedding because what's the fucking point.

I'm hopeful this time the rest may not follow Wales, fingers crossed. Things have changed since the spring when that simply seemed to happen.

Apparently some MPs in low risk areas wrote to the Manchester mayor telling him to go to tier 3 - as not fair we should all have to lockdown. Not sure whether that is helpful really

I had PND years ago and at the time had some support for example could call into sure start centre in town for a cuppa and chat and to feed baby, really helped. Groups as well. It makes you feel trapped and this lockdown does too so not surprised it just makes things worse.

I too don't believe for a second that a circuit breaker will end up only being 2 weeks. We've been sold that sort of lie before...

And if non-essential shops are forced to close: I am confused about this. Everyone has to wear masks in shops. So either the masks are effective, in which case you don't need to close shops, or they are not, in which case why are we wearing them?!

Masks are symbolic. They don't do anything really so masks in shops are irrelevant to shops staying open. Also, have there been any regimes that force people to cover their faces that haven't been authoritarian and oppressive?

It’s a similar thing with masks on public transport. Originally we were told masks were mandatory in places where you couldn’t keep 2m apart from other people ie crowded trains. But then they said masks AND 2m distance - effectively slashing the capacity of buses and trains. But surely if masks worked it should be either/or

Personally I think masks in shops were only introduced for show and to get the terrified out of their homes.

I think closing hospitality and shops is window dressing as well. The reason why lockdown in March reduced the numbers was because the majority of people were forced to stay at home with no visitors. Yes there were plenty of essential workers still out there but a huge amount of people simply stopped going anywhere. I didn't even go into a shop for months as I could get deliveries.

What I don't understand is people calling for a similar lockdown. Why would anyone want to go back to staying indoors and never seeing anyone unless they were overly anxious or just hated being a human.

There have been demos in London and Liverpool re covid restrictions, none of which have been reported by the bbc. I applaud people demonstrating, but it worries me a bit when I see what I consider to be cranky placards about 5G amongst the demonstrators- I am sure you know the sort of thing I am talking about. I think some (pro lockdown and pro government) people have trouble separating those who object to the degradation of our human rights and government ineptitude from flat earthers and conspiracists. Consequently, everyone who objects seems to get tarred with the same 'cooky thinking' brush, which is a shame.
Meanwhile I have some friends in their 80s who live remotely and who do not use the Internet, so very isolated. They are so frightened they will not even meet me for coffee, (at either of our homes) despite there being no cases of covid in the local area. They assume that if they catch covid they will die, and that's that. They have no family, just each other, so I understand, but months of such intense worry does no one any good.

What is depressing me tonight is that I have friends in the NHS, teaching, government posts who are behaving like nodding dogs at every edict coming out of our governments ass.

One of the things that those of us who have lost income but got no Government support have said all the way through is that there has mostly been silence from friends and family, whether they feel guilty or embarrassed to be in better positions I don't know, or they think we are all tax-avoiding scum and it's our own fault, but it's eerie.

On a shut down in England though, how the hell can we afford it? Most people can't live on 67% of their wages and I doubt Rishi wants to provide even that for the whole country, and there's no extra provision for the self employed who got money before afaik other than the 20% (not to mention the 3m or so who've had nothing all the way through).

There’s a thing in the Times about all the bright children who haven’t returned to education now that schools are open. Supposedly the number of families classed as vulnerable has increased and the number of children on FSM has soared. There’s been a massive increase in the number of calls to eating disorder and homelessness charities.

Aaaaaarrrrrggghhhhhhh!

This is all I have to say this morning, & I don't even live in Wales.

DH has gone out for a bit on his own, & I'm having a good cry. I said to him I feel under pressure to go out & make the most of it whilst we're allowed, but I haven't got the energy. I'm tired from work, & constantly worrying about not having enough food in just in case we have to self-isolate (which is slightly irrational but perhaps reflects my mental state), & from having to be the emotional crutch for family & friends, & just dealing with the rollercoaster of being a parent to older teens who still live at home.

I work for the NHS & count my blessings over the "perks". I know we are fortunate to get decent sick pay & holiday pay, but dear God, I don't know if I can go through another lockdown on top of the usual winter pressures.

I'm trying to do the positive, self-care stuff, but knitting, looking at nice trees & having a hot bath isn't cutting it today.

Been lurking for a while and just wanted to post that one glimmer of light for me this week has been reading that WHO is re-evaluating Sweden's response in light of lack of 2nd wave so far. Perhaps there is an alternative way to handle all this rather than automatic lockdown / more draconian restrictions. Also, there seems to be a slight shift to be able to discuss these alternative views (albeit I do it very quietly and only in certain company) for fear of being branded heartless, a covidiotg etc

I'm more vocal on here than offline but I too quietly offer a different view. And anyone who knows me well enough knows I am not heartless or lacking in compassion so I hope it makes them think.

There’s a few articles this weekend in the Times and on the BBC tentatively arguing for a change and highlighting the damage the restrictions have done.

I’ll just leave this kitten here in case it helps