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Mixington · 30/09/2020 12:02

Just found out that the tenants in one of our properties are JWs. They are super nice, lovely family and have always been a pleasure to deal with. We have met some two sets of friends of theirs too, in passing, who also seemed really lovely too. All JW too it turns out, active members going to meetings serveral times a week etc. All run cleaning or window cleaning businesses which I was intrigued to find out is very common for JW.

A girl at school was also JW, she was really funny, cool, nice, bright, but somewhat removed from everyone else - ie didn’t socialize with us outside of school, was a bit of a floater with friend groups, didn’t join in with the usual Christmas and birthday stuff. I recall various brief teenage style basic conversations about it and we all just kind of shrugged and accepted it... Then I had read up on JW as an adult ago so looking back it all made sense.

This new info of our tenants being JW has made me curious again about it.

Now, overall I take the approach of live and let live. I have zero religion in my life but have often thought the community side of it must be great and that in times of need I can see any religion could offer comfort.

That being said, from what I’ve read about JW, it feels to be more of a sect or cult, with pretty strong rules and beliefs, with the potential for significant emotional and psychological repercussions. It just seems so severe and I’m struggling with reconciling these lovely people with such an extreme organization.

Clearly it’s not mutually exclusive to be a nice person and a JW. That is not my point. But I can’t get my head around these people believing in Armageddon and The Truth and “shunning bad associations” etc etc. They seem so normal yet I can only assume they are totally indoctrinated given they are still clearly active JWs.

I know that in most day to day interactions people don’t preach their beliefs, it just doesn’t come up in conversation.. but with something like JW that is seemingly quite strict, I am fascinated to think that these people who are really cool/normal/nice have this massive thing going on in their life and probably hold quite strong views which Judy colour the way they look at the world.

I found the past AMA in here and other articles on JW so interesting, and distressing in places (lack of blood transfusions, child abuse, domestic violence) though obviously horrid stuff can take place anywhere religion or not.

So I don’t know why I’m posting really. I guess I’m totally intrigued by this way of life and trying to understand how it fits in with or views the rest of society? Do they think I’m awful because I don’t live in The Truth? Are there different shades of joe much you can join in or follow as a JW? Or is it all or nothing? Do these people I know want to convert me? Do they talk about Armageddon with their kids like it’s a normal piece of life? So fascinating......

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StormyInTheNorth · 01/10/2020 00:15

I went through a six month period of being door knocked by a JW and her various partners. I was polite but firm, yet she kept coming back. Once in the depths of winter she had this boy with her, suited up, and no more than 11.

Anyway, she was very polite, but I had to be very blunt in the end. Each time she kept wanting to talk about acceptance and pain. I have a noticeable facial disfigurement. I was not willing to listen to her culty crap on how Jehova would accept me despite my problems. Fuck off.

Once a month (maybe more) she came to my door with it and even attempted to ask my 4 year old about God.

She was such a 'nice' person, gently gently trying to hook me. Happily, I'm more of a harridan than I look.

All religions are cults. Just some are more acceptable than others. Even milder ones, ie CofE have vile views too in pockets.

Don't listen to me, I'm scarred by conservative christianity. I have also been shunned due to the way I live my life by extended family.

So yes, they may be nice OP, they still hold interesting views that aren't conpatible with most societal norms.

Kalula · 01/10/2020 00:17

@JW101 It most definitely is a cult. Any religion that tells you turn against family if they leave, is definitely a cult.

Also;
"The Christian countercult movement asserts that Christian sects whose beliefs are partially or wholly not in accordance with the Bible are erroneous. It also states that a religious sect can be considered a cult if its beliefs involve a denial of what they view as any of the essential Christian teachings such as salvation, the Trinity, Jesus himself as a person, the ministry of Jesus, the miracles of Jesus, the crucifixion, the resurrection of Christ, the Second Coming, and the rapture."

"list of seven ways to recognize the difference between a religious community and a cult. Written down, the signs seem clear:

  1. Opposing critical thinking (JWs and their opposition to 'apostate material' especially apostate material that calls out JW doctrine - generation living that will never die, blood, shunning)
  1. Isolating members and penalizing them for leaving (JW, very self-explanatory)
  1. Emphasizing special doctrines outside scripture (JWs don't follow the Bible at all, when they do they have 'materials' that put a different twist on that has nothing remotely to do with the real interpretation of Christianity e.g using scriptures to falsely support shunning and anti-blood transfusions when they Bible does not say at all what the JWs interpret it as)
  1. Seeking inappropriate loyalty to their leaders (Seeing the men in the Watchtower as infallible despite the fact New Light is changing constantly, but the Bible doesn't change; their need to have Elders in people's business constantly)
  1. Dishonoring the family unit
  1. Crossing Biblical boundaries of behavior (versus sexual purity and personal ownership)
  1. Separation from the Church"
Mosasaur · 01/10/2020 00:35

My ex was a disfellowshipped JW. He was very critical of the religion and strongly felt it was a cult. Refusing certain types of medical treatment, discouraging higher education, giving money to the church even when people could barely afford to feed their own family, being required to spend their time pestering other people to join, shunning your own family because they were gay or had forbidden medical treatment, or even just because they decided not to be JW any more. He said it was very insular and you were isolated from anyone who didn’t share your beliefs. He was also very critical of beliefs such as denying evolution and saying there are no more spaces in Heaven because it’s full.

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KurtansCurtains · 01/10/2020 07:29

@JW101 where in the Bible does it say you shouldn't have blood transfusions? I'd like the exact verse that mentions blood transfusions specifically, please.

KurtansCurtains · 01/10/2020 07:30

Also can you tell me where it says you shouldn't celebrate Christmas or birthdays?

Franticbutterfly · 01/10/2020 07:45

My grandmother is a JW (and most of her children were at some point, one kind of still goes to meetings and occasionally pretends to be one to keep in favour with her) and it never really made an impact until they told her not to have any contact with my aunt who was excommunicated (for leaving) 20 after she left. Obviously this had a devastating effect on my Aunt as my grandmother wouldn't see or speak to her. As my nan has become more frail (and needs more help) she seems to have relaxed this rule a bit, and they see each other occasionally.

The JWs are a cult. And the way they were founded and the rules upon which they were founded are questionable at best. But many of the people are nice people and they do care about each other, will visit each other when ill and help each other out. It's a good community...just don't ask me to join!

Tomatoesneedtoripen · 01/10/2020 07:47

A colleague doesnt celebrate birthdays.
do we assume JW?

Lessstressedhemum · 01/10/2020 09:43

@Kurtanscurtains. The verse they use for this is Acts 15:20, when James, the brother of Jesus, is addressing the Council of Jerusalem.

"It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood." Acts 25:19-20.

No birthdays is because the only time birthdays are mentioned in the Bible, bad things happen. John the Baptist lost his head on Herod's birthday and, in Genesis, Pharaoh has his cup bearers head chopped off and fed to the birds on his birthday. JWs take this to mean that Jehovah God disagrees with celebrating birthdays.

JW101, I know you think that you don't have human leaders because your leader is Jehovah, but the Governing Body are absolutely your leaders. You believe that they are infallible and have a direct line to God, who communicates with them and tells them what to say, write etc. , To the extent that JWs believe that Jehovah is the editor in chief of your printed material. But they are fallible. That's why there is regularly "New Light." That just covers up for the fact that things are wrong, e.g. the generation teaching, the endless dates for Armageddon. In my lifetime, there have been several beginning with "Stay alive till '75". and culminating in absolute certainty with the millennium. While I was in, it was even current light that women shouldn't have bobs because keeping short hair would make their hair fall out and make women bald!

To whoever asked earlier, yes children are told about Armageddon all the time. It's an important part of the life of a JW. Escatology is the focus of the faith, they are an Apocalyptic religion.
They are most definitely a cult. The leaders, all men, mostly older and white, control every aspect of members lives. I even remember a young lad being interviewed by elders and disciplined because he masturbated. I know one woman who was pushed to the very edges of the congregation when she wouldn't take back her husband when he got out of jail after being imprisoned for child sex offences. Add to that, the fact that he was a violent, abusive alcoholic and she didn't want anymore to do with him. He was welcomed back by the elders and congregation because he was "sorry" but not her. She was forced out because she wouldn't "wait on Jehovah" to change his heart.

JW101 · 01/10/2020 09:45

@KurtansCurtains
This link explains why about JW dont have blood transfusions and it gives Bible based answers www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502013211&srcid=share
We do accept alternative treatments to blood transfusions and we do accept medical help.

JW101 · 01/10/2020 10:01

@KurtansCurtains:

This explains Christmas

www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502013149&srcid=share

Birthdays:
www.jw.org/finder?wtlocale=E&docid=502015120&srcid=share

We do enjoy gift giving and family time, and parties. But we just don't do it around the holidays. My kids love there special surprise and family days and I organise kids parties once a year normally for their friends. For family days and gift giving because not all my family are JW and we include them in these times.

When a baby is born we do congratulate and it is a happy time, we do buy baby gifts and give cards, it's nice for the parent and we welcome a new life (who doesn't love buying baby things I often will buy vgifts for any siblings so the are not left out to) We don't celebrate birthdays to give honour to an individual, plus a few more reasons that I've mentioned in the birthday link.

Kalula · 01/10/2020 10:01

They can know have blood fractions, plasma etc. Which makes a mockery on their original stance. They change their views continually on what they can and can't have. If the Bible is unchanging, why does New Light even exist?

This is a great site, it's mainly for recovering JWs, but some JWs go on there. There is a lot of factual information and experiences on there. www.jehovahs-witness.com/subject/experiences

JW101 · 01/10/2020 10:04

Sorry for my awful spelling and grammar I'm not checking and l'm trying to do this on the move right now!

Kalula · 01/10/2020 10:06

www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5147268602658816/human-blood-biblically-forbidden

It had previously been understood that the best translation of Acts 15: 28-30 was "to abstain from blood." However, a careful analysis of the passage shows that the best translation of this passage is "to abstain from (shedding) blood," where the word "pour out," which does not appear in ancient manuscripts and other biblical versions, does.
it appears there understood in elliptical form.

In the same way it happened in the case of Colossians 1: 16-20 where the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures correctly inserted the word "other" several times, understood there in elliptical form, in the phrase of the original Greek "all things ", thus obtaining the correct translation" all (other) things ".

Even though Christianity reaffirms itself in translating this passage as saying that "through him all things were created", because he maintains that Jesus is God according to his pagan doctrine of the Trinity, multiple biblical passages sustainthe biblical truth that Jesus is not Jehovah God, but his beloved son that God later used as his creative partner.

According to this Paul said that "though he existed in the form of God, he did not give consideration to a usurpation, namely, that he should be equal to God, no, rather, he emptied himself and took the form of a slave and he came to be in the likeness of men, more than that, when he was in the manner of a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death, yes, death on a torture stake, for this same reason, also, God he exalted a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above all else, so that in Jesus' name every knee of those [who are] in heaven and those who are [over] the earth and those [who are] under the ground, and openly recognize * every tongue that Jesus Christ is Lord for the glory of God the Father. " (Philippians 2: 5-11)

Just as in Philippians and Colossians there is a clear distinction between Jesus and all the creation that was created through him, 1 Corinthians 15: 27,28 says clearly about Jesus, that: "... [God]" subjected all things under his feet. "Butwhen he says that 'all things have been subjected', it is evident that this is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him, but when all things have been subjected to him, then the Son himself He will also be subject to Him who put all things under him, that God may be all things to all, 1 Corinthians 15: 27,28)

These are the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians 15: 27,28 clearly distinguishing between Jesus, his Father, and all creation (that is, all other things). to him subjected, after subjecting himself to the Father, they fully justify the correction of inserting the word "other" in Colossians 1: 16-20, since both Jesus and his Father are excluded and differentiated from "all (other) things" .

Just as the word "other" appears four times in parentheses in the phrase "all (other) things in Colossians 1: 16-20, so should the word" pour out "in the phrase from Acts 15:28. -30 where "abstaining from (spilling) blood" is being implied.

Since in Acts 15 there had already been talk of "abstaining from the drowned," which involves eating the blood, the logical thing is that "abstaining from blood" means then "abstaining from (spilling) blood", not only because it would be redundant or repetitive, but because this would maintain the parallelism with Genesis 9: 3,4, where it is first forbidden to eat the blood and drowned, and then, in Genesis 9: 6 it is forbidden to shed human blood.
If we continue to insist on our old interpretation that "to abstain from blood" does not mean "to abstain from (shedding) blood", - and in addition to extend the mandate to human blood - it would be in effect incurring the grave sin forbidden by Genesis 9: 6 not to spill the sacred blood of another man, by which one would have to respond with one's own.

If we refused to recognize this parallel between the original command over animal blood and the blood of man in Genesis 9: 3-6, for the apostolic mandate of Acts 15: 28,29, this would lead us to the use of blood a place above the same life symbolized by that blood, and that Genesis 9: 6 commands us to protect the price of our own life.

By refusing to recognize this parallel, and proceed to violate it, it would be changing in effect "not spilling blood" by "spilling the blood of man" by denying him a transfusion, when Genesis 9: 3-6, forced us to spill the blood of the animals ONLY, while preventing us from spilling the man's blood.

Taking then the word "blood" alone out of its elliptical context would be equivalent to a simplistic and literal approach, where the word "blood" would be used as synonymous "blood liquid" or as referring to "the bloodstream". A more exhaustiveand detailed analysis of each of the uses of the word "blood" in the book of Acts will show us that there is a figurative use of "sacrifice", bloodshed ", or" act or event to remove ". life for criminal purposes or a propitiatory sacrifice for sins).

Note that in all the places of the book of Acts where the word "blood" is used does not refer to the liquid of the veins. It always has a figurative meaning.

It's like when we say in Spanish: "that individual comes by blood", that what we mean is that "" comes to take lives, that comes to collect, that comes for revenge. "

Examine the Acts passages that use the word "blood."

1:19 - The field of blood of Judas (on the bloody death of Judas)

2:19, 20 - figurative: in the sense of death, and red in the color of blood, also referring to the environment of death and revenge over which the moon shines

5:28; 18: 6; 20:26; - blood guilt; guilt for the death of

20:28 - The blood that Jesus shed, the propitiatory price to buy life

22:20 - Blood spilled from Esteban, related to the murder of Esteban

Thus, figuratively, and following the parallel of Genesis 9, "abstaining from blood," in Acts 15 is to abstain free from the guilt of snatching life from another, from "shedding blood."

Already the "eating of blood" had been specified in "abstaining from drowning". Now this mandate is the equivalent to Genesis 9: 6 of not "shedding the blood of man" and of the commandment "You will not murder", not an imaginary use in transfusions, of which nobody thought in 4000 years, and whose illogical interpretation has only achieved in a counterproductive way the loss of lives and lack of respect for the sanctity of life.

Kalula · 01/10/2020 10:13

"Shortly after I was born, my parents decided to become Jehovah’s Witnesses. My dad was an elder, and everyone in our family pioneered during the summer while I was growing up. I was baptized in 1986 at thirteen years of age, in Ogden, Utah. We were the picture-perfect JW family. Even today, people identify me as Brother Salazar’s daughter.

I became a regular pioneer after getting married in 1991. After two children and a move from Utah to Tennessee, my husband decided he didn’t want to be a JW any longer. Now a former JW, he was a good provider for me and the girls, but worked away from home more than 300 days a year.

Because I was now married to an unbeliever, I received help from several members of our congregation. The kids and I rarely missed a meeting, and I went in the door-to-door work every week. I did what a good JW mother was expected to do, monitoring our entertainment and association, and studying with the kids once a week.

One Saturday afternoon after field service, one of my good JW friends and I took our kids to a park in Nashville. Later, the girls and I spent the night with a JW family, and the next morning we all went to the Sunday meeting. While at the Kingdom Hall, I felt sick and dizzy, so I spent most of the meeting in the mother’s room. While there, another sister nursing her baby thought I might be pregnant, so I took a pregnancy test after the meeting and it turned out to be positive.

That evening while talking on the phone with my JW friend Jenn, my stomach started to act up. So I told her that I needed to use the bathroom, and I would call her back. Once in the bathroom, the pain was unbelievable. I asked my oldest daughter, who was six years old, to call her grandparents.

Her grandmother answered the phone and suspected this was serious. She and my father-in-law dropped everything and drove to our house, picked up the girls and I, and we rode with them to the hospital. At this point my memory becomes fuzzy, as I was in and out of consciousness.

In the hospital I began vomiting, and shortly thereafter my mom and sister arrived. My sister immediately asked where my Durable Power of Attorney (DPA) was, since this was now the standard document that replaced the old blood cards. Since I didn’t think to bring it, she drove to my house and brought it back.

Later, my sister-in-law, a non-JW nurse, showed up at the hospital and did her best to convince me that I needed to take blood. “The kids need you and God does not want you to die”, she said. “No one has to know if you take blood. It will be just between you and me.” But I stubbornly refused.

Finally the hospital staff moved me to another room. The nurse and my mom kept trying to help me get up onto a table. I kept passing out, and the last time I didn’t wake up and soiled myself. I was in shock and my hemoglobin had dropped to 1.7 – the normal range is 12 – 15.5 grams per deciliter.

After a blood test and ultrasound, I was told that I was six weeks along with an ectopic pregnancy. The pregnancy likely occurred in my fallopian tube, which carries eggs from the ovaries to the uterus, rather than the uterus itself. The uterus is made to sustain pregnancy, the fallopian tube cannot. In an ectopic pregnancy, the fertilized egg cannot survive and bursts the fallopian tube as it grows larger. In my case the growing tissue was causing life-threatening bleeding. I had been bleeding internally all day as the rupture worsened.

I remember being half aware of a nurse coming in to get my blood type and a cross match, in case I changed my mind. I woke right up and told her I would not change my mind. The staff was now having trouble finding a doctor who would perform surgery without blood. Everyone had refused, saying I wouldn’t survive without it. All during this time my husband was still working in Canada. He was not able to get a flight home until the next day.

By now I was confined to lying full-time on an inverted table in order to move blood towards my heart. I was in-and-out of consciousness. Elders and members of the congregation were showing up, as well as the Hospital Liaison Committee (HLC). They all did their best to unduly influence me to not take blood. This was good news for my mom and sister, because it helped reinforce in their minds that not taking blood was the right thing to do; it’s what Jehovah wanted me to do.

I did have the good fortune of a pioneer sister who came to see me, although she was careful to make sure that no JW heard our conversation. She asked to see my DPA. I had marked “No fractions.” Whispering in my ear, she suggested I change that. The Watchtower organization now accepted all blood fractions. She convinced me that by accepting blood fractions there was a chance the fractions would build up my blood. So I promptly and privately informed the staff that I would now take blood fractions.

Under this condition, a physician finally agreed to do the surgery. He woke me up and said I would probably not survive the surgery, and to tell my children goodbye. I reminded him that I’d prefer to die now and be with my kids forever in paradise rather than live the short time until Armageddon, and be dead forever. This is what I expected would happen had I accepted whole blood or one of the forbidden components.

I kissed my family goodbye, and prayers were said. I had arrived at the hospital at 8:30 pm and my surgery started at 2:30 am the next morning. I survived the surgery and was placed in a drug induced coma. My husband arrived and said that I was grey and green, and looked like I was dead when he first saw me.

While I was sleeping, my family and the HLC were fighting for a doctor to give me the erythropoietin (EPO) shot. This is normally given to cancer patients. But no one would agree to prescribe it for me, because it takes several days for it to work. In my condition, the odds were that I would likely die before it did any good.

Erythropoietin (EPO) is a hormone produced by the kidney, which promotes the formation of red blood cells by the bone marrow. The EPO stimulates the bone marrow to produce more red blood cells. The resulting rise in red cells increases the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood.

I am unsure how many days passed, but they finally found a family doctor, who would prescribe the EPO. My injections started the day I woke up. I received the shot once a day for three days. I can only imagine how horrible this time was for my family. They are rarely willing to talk about it.

The arguments with my surgeon and unbelieving family also started the day I woke up. My husband did not agree with my decision, but he respected it. Over and over I had to defend my choice, quoting what I would later learn was misinformation coming from Watchtower.

I was finally able to go home. Since my husband had left to go back to work in Canada, sisters from the local congregation brought food and helped with chores. At day seven of my first EPO shot, I woke up as good as new. At my follow-up with the doctor, who prescribed the EPO, he didn’t recognize me. He never thought to use erythropoietin for a need like mine, but he would consider it in the future.

Two weeks later I made it to Sunday meeting. I was a star! I had refused blood and lived. The circuit overseer was visiting and talked about it from the platform. His prayer made me cry, as he was the first to pray for the baby I had lost. Everyone else had forgotten I had just lost a child; they were so focused on the blood issue.

I continued being a good JW and in 2005, four years later, I delivered a healthy baby boy. When he was two years old, I had an epiphany and started to think seriously about whether I would allow any of my children to die if they needed a blood transfusion. That triggered a moment of doubt, and I decided to do my own research online and do it privately.

I googled Watchtower and blood transfusions and that’s where I found the AJWRB website. It proved to be a treasure trove of scientific facts along with good biblical information.

The specific bit of information that broke Watchtower’s hold on me was reading about how JWs in Bulgaria can receive blood without negative consequences. I had once been willing to let my kids die for this rule. But had I been living in Bulgaria, God’s law on blood would somehow not have been applicable for me! How can JW’s in one country accept blood when others couldn’t?

It was also helpful for me to ponder on a post on AJWRB.org, which described blood fractions. The article really simplified it, at least for me, by comparing fractions to all the ingredients of a cake. So Watchtower’s blood policy was in fact like being able to accept all the ingredients of cake, but not the cake.

If this was a law from Jehovah, which made me choose to die and leave my kids motherless, or makes parents fight for their kids to not receive blood even though they may die, shouldn’t it apply to everyone?

Recent photo of Chaunte Cardwell and her family

I saw way too much human involvement in this. I began looking at other policies and rules from Watchtower. After careful and extensive research, it was obvious to me that many of Watchtower’s policies were man-made, human interpretations. In 2010 I wrote my letter of disassociation. One elder who received it told me he was ignoring my letter and suggested that I just drift away. I am not sure and I don’t care, but I suspect that I have now been disfellowshipped in the congregation where I had nearly died.

Seventeen years later, I still suffer from memory loss as a result of the massive amounts of blood I lost from my ectopic pregnancy and related complications. I can live with that. But there is something I would not be able to accept.

Even back then, I believed I lived so I could help someone else not make the kind of choice I did. Now that you know my story, please do your own personal research. It could save a life—your life, a life of a friend or a child!"

KurtansCurtains · 01/10/2020 10:20

Thanks for explaining, everyone who did. I still can't really get my head round it, and like everything else in the Bible, it's simply a matter of translation. And what I really can't understand, is how a JW would let their child die, rather then give them a transfusion. Maybe I should have asked that question instead.

@Lessstressedhemum speaking of Armageddon, the JW I know is quietly awaiting the end times (again), which she believes is approaching via the rise of the coronavirus.

WhentheDealGoesDown1 · 01/10/2020 10:24

Our neighbours are JWs, they are fine with us and it is never mentioned in conversations over the garden fence, in fact we don’t get any of them coming knocking at the door and I am sure this is why. They are very nice though and have never tried to convert us and we just talk about normal everyday things. I don’t mention Christmas or Easter and just call it the holidays in conversation, I am not a religious person anyway, neither is DH

MulticolourMophead · 01/10/2020 10:26

If abstaining from receiving donated blood is supposed to be about not shedding blood, then how does that square with the fact the the blood is not shed but given freely? I donate blood, it is freely donated, a gift from me to the recipient. It is not shed, as in taken, so why would it be refused?

JW101 · 01/10/2020 10:40

I don't usually write online by the way because people can write a lot of untruths or misinformation. But because of covid we haven't been able to go on our usual ministry. If I not explained anything well I apologize. But our official website will tell the truth about us. The rest is hearsay and misinformation. Like I said I never take anything personal and I'm not offended when I hear cult, brainwash etc. I know I've come to know my believes by proving it to myself and testing and cross examining things. I've always done this. God won't except blind faith anyway. We are not perfect and our organisation is not we are all imperfect people but we should try our best do what God asks and if anything is done unjustly God sees and will sort it in his time by ways and means. Nothing gets past him.

When you get baptized you are committed to it so if you do wrong and are unrepentant then they have to leave, it's a last resort because God expects his worship to be holy and clean. Although the door is open if they want to change and be made clean again there is always forgivness.
If you choose not to get baptized and just do your own thing things it's slightly different you were never a JW to be a JW you have to get baptized, my children are not Jw until they get baptized but we bring them up that way. It's the parents that a Baptized Jw generally or at least one is. therefore should not be shunned or however you want to put it. It's not the best way to explain but think of it a lot like a marriage if you go into marriage surely you expect commitment of your marriage mate, well in a similar way God expects us to be committed when we love him and want to decicate our lives and choose to get baptized. That's why you have to be spiritually mature and know exactly what is required before taking that step.
If my child choose not to follow the faith I've brought them up with and taught them, yes of course, I love them and would want them to believe what I do because I do believe it's the truth. I would obviously want them to follow the faith I have, but it's totally their choice as individuals and I will bring them up to know that I will still love them even if they don't accept my faith and I will respect their choices as they mature more and more. I would only want them to commit or decicate and get baptized when they are fully aware and believes in it fully and what comes with it and ONLY if they truly love God and not for me, anyone or anything else. I would want my children to just be honest with me when they are old enough to make that decision there will be no pressure from us.

arinah · 01/10/2020 10:44

We had a few JW pupils at my school, who were not allowed to take part in singing assembly, RE, certain aspects of PSHE etc. When other children brought treats in for their birthday to share with the class they weren't allowed to take part (parents orders). I had one boy in year 2 who was given a Christmas card and he kept trying to sneak a glance at it with it hidden under the table. I told him it was completely fine to open the envelope and look at it, if he felt uncomfortable then he could put it away, and it's not like I would tell his mum! It seems like such a difficult life to live imo. These particular children found it harder than others to make real friendships in their year groups because obviously they weren't allowed to hang out outside of school.
A colleague of mine was also JW, one of the pupils was actually her son. A very lovely woman who had a warming presence. We got on like a house on fire despite our different beliefs. I was also friends with her cousin, who told me that the colleague and her husband had been disfellowshipped a few years back, although they came back to JW. My assumption is that she considered divorcing her DH, as she'd let it slip to me that he could be abusive.

JW101 · 01/10/2020 10:53

Dedicate! Sorry I have problems with my spelling! Like I said Jw.org will answer any questions and it's our official website. It's also translated in many languages for those who english is not first language (like myself). You can type in a question and just search . Thanks for taking the time if you got this far. I'm off now as I have to do my job in 20 mins and would like a cup of tea first, have a good day Smile

Beautiful3 · 01/10/2020 11:14

My mothers one and I was raised as one. I left aged 12. Yes it's a nice community and most of them are respectful with lovely manners. We had weekly work shops on how to present ourselves and how to handle situations/questions. Always smile and be nice! However they do shun those who break the rules. I've seen it happen when they come into the meeting and get told to sit at the back, everyone turns their back on them and they are told to leave straight afterwards. Its horrible really. There is alot of pressure to preach and donate money. When I stopped going to meetings the elder popped in to tell me to return to the meetings. I honestly would stay away from the whole thing.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 01/10/2020 11:28

Have to say I really dislike them as a group, because of persistent calling at our house when I have repeatedly asked them (politely) not to.

A pair of them once called at my folks’ house, when dds were small and everyone was in the garden. Since nobody answered the door (didn’t hear the bell) they had the sheer bloody effrontery to go round the back and into the garden ‘since we heard the children’.

They got very short shrift from my DF, I can tell you.

Chickenblc · 01/10/2020 11:57

When you get baptized you are committed to it so if you do wrong and are unrepentant then they have to leave, it's a last resort because God expects his worship to be holy and clean.

But the posters friend who came out as gay did nothing wrong. People who have blood transfusions needed to save their lives do nothing wrong.

But our official website will tell the truth about us. The rest is hearsay and misinformation.

Just because it doesn't follow the JW party line doesn't mean it isn't true.