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Jehovah’s Witnesses

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Mixington · 30/09/2020 12:02

Just found out that the tenants in one of our properties are JWs. They are super nice, lovely family and have always been a pleasure to deal with. We have met some two sets of friends of theirs too, in passing, who also seemed really lovely too. All JW too it turns out, active members going to meetings serveral times a week etc. All run cleaning or window cleaning businesses which I was intrigued to find out is very common for JW.

A girl at school was also JW, she was really funny, cool, nice, bright, but somewhat removed from everyone else - ie didn’t socialize with us outside of school, was a bit of a floater with friend groups, didn’t join in with the usual Christmas and birthday stuff. I recall various brief teenage style basic conversations about it and we all just kind of shrugged and accepted it... Then I had read up on JW as an adult ago so looking back it all made sense.

This new info of our tenants being JW has made me curious again about it.

Now, overall I take the approach of live and let live. I have zero religion in my life but have often thought the community side of it must be great and that in times of need I can see any religion could offer comfort.

That being said, from what I’ve read about JW, it feels to be more of a sect or cult, with pretty strong rules and beliefs, with the potential for significant emotional and psychological repercussions. It just seems so severe and I’m struggling with reconciling these lovely people with such an extreme organization.

Clearly it’s not mutually exclusive to be a nice person and a JW. That is not my point. But I can’t get my head around these people believing in Armageddon and The Truth and “shunning bad associations” etc etc. They seem so normal yet I can only assume they are totally indoctrinated given they are still clearly active JWs.

I know that in most day to day interactions people don’t preach their beliefs, it just doesn’t come up in conversation.. but with something like JW that is seemingly quite strict, I am fascinated to think that these people who are really cool/normal/nice have this massive thing going on in their life and probably hold quite strong views which Judy colour the way they look at the world.

I found the past AMA in here and other articles on JW so interesting, and distressing in places (lack of blood transfusions, child abuse, domestic violence) though obviously horrid stuff can take place anywhere religion or not.

So I don’t know why I’m posting really. I guess I’m totally intrigued by this way of life and trying to understand how it fits in with or views the rest of society? Do they think I’m awful because I don’t live in The Truth? Are there different shades of joe much you can join in or follow as a JW? Or is it all or nothing? Do these people I know want to convert me? Do they talk about Armageddon with their kids like it’s a normal piece of life? So fascinating......

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oldmapie · 30/09/2020 17:05

Someone asked for this up thread. Not sure if link will work.

I was a Jehovah's Witness- Ask me anything www.mumsnet.com/Talk/AMA/3626228-I-was-a-Jehovahs-Witness-Ask-me-anything

BogRollBOGOF · 30/09/2020 17:09

There are JWs (well, a JW and several exes) in my family. One of the children was baptised then ended up being shunned by the community. The parent didn't shun, but the conflict between the church, their teachings and real life has definitely soured the relationship permanently and the child now feels that they were loved only as the obedient one. Another married young into an abusive relationship, but what mattered was that they were from a JW background. They came off lighter because they hadn't been baptised. Other siblings dodged the Church earlier in the teenage years.

It is culty, and I find its practices very un-Christian and against Jesus' teachings of forgiveness and welcoming people back. JWs only offer conditional love and are very unsupportive of anything against their rigid practices.

I don't think individual JWs are bad people, but I would be cautious that they are indoctrinated with an agenda.

Oh and a JW funeral is incredibly joyless and dull. Much more like a bible reading class than a ceremony to commemorate a life.

TapingTheTop40 · 30/09/2020 17:40

In the city I live in all the very rich well known business men seem to be Jehovah’s witnesses.
I’ve never known if it’s a coincidence or something curious 🤔

I have only known two JW.
One who shunned her own mother because her mother needed a blood transfusion and accepted it!!!!!!!!!!!!

And one who told us gay people and blind people are the devils people.

I see them as brainwashed and in a cult.

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Pericombobulations · 30/09/2020 17:48

Oh the funerals. I had forgotten to mention those. My Gran told me off for crying at my Grandpa's funeral because he was now happy with Jehovah. No one was allowed to wear black and she didnt care what happened to his earthly remains as they didnt matter. No one in the family still know what happened to his ashes.

Oh and yes and just before Gran died they tried to get her will altered to leave more of her estate to the JW's than she had originally wanted. Not being of sound mind it wasnt signed, but oh my they tried. As it was my Aunt wanted more money given to them despite this. A larger amount than her will stated was still given to them. Im not convinced they deserved it.

I still wonder what happened, as gran grew up JW, turned to CofE when she married and had her kids (Mum went to CofE Church up to 3 times a day), but after they left home,. she and grandpa turned back to them. I remember them "doorstepping" as a child but didnt understand it. The only present they ever gave me was a Bible, I only liked the colour pictures. The words were highly edited.

Youngatheart00 · 30/09/2020 18:24

It does make me curious as to WHY people get sucked in to cult-like factions of religions like JW. Is it because they are lonely and seek a sense of community and belonging?

I went to school with a couple of JW girls and they weren’t allowed to sit in school assemblies, participate in school drama productions, RE, sex Ed etc. And obviously anything Christmas related was out too. They were often upset about this and I do wonder whether they stayed with the JWs as they grew older.

fantasmasgoria1 · 30/09/2020 18:30

A school friend and her siblings were jw. As soon as they were each 16 they left home. The parents didn't speak to the child that had been baptised for over a year. My friend said you get odd ones like your tenants but would never recommend the religion.

showmethegin · 30/09/2020 19:29

That was me @oldmapie Thank you!

cultkid · 30/09/2020 19:38

My husband was raised a JW as a child

It has profoundly affected him
He left Home age 14

BleepingSausages · 30/09/2020 19:39

I grew up as a JW. It’s a cult.

Lockdownseperation · 30/09/2020 19:52

@DrGachet

I had an unpleasant time with a JW tradesman a while back, he found some weed in one of my kitchen cupboards and said he would tell the police if I didn't allow him to return with an "elder" the next night Hmm. Why the keenness to convert everyone?
The clue is in the name. Jehovah is God and witnessing mean to makes people into disciples. In the New Testament Jesus commands all Christians to convert others to Christianity. It’s central to Christianity.
TheSandman · 30/09/2020 20:00

All religions are cults. No real difference. It's just a matter of size and tax breaks.

katy1213 · 30/09/2020 20:01

There was an excellent film about them a couple of years ago called Apostasy; at the cinema where I saw it, several former-Witnesses stood up at the end and said how true it was. If I remember rightly, the director had also been raised as JW.

JW101 · 30/09/2020 20:26

I'm a JW and have name changed to answer this. I don't take anything personal. I think you made a lot of good observations op. One thing I say is in general we follow Bible principles and believe it's inspired by God. We are not a cult or sect as we have no human leader. We people Jesus Christ is God's son and Jehovah (God's name) is God almighty. Baptism is an important step in the life but should never be taken lightly and I do think you should be mature enough to make that decision personally. We get baptized when we are convinced ourselves not pushed by family members/friends that it's the life we want to lead and decicate our lives to God. It's a big commitment and shouldn't be taken lightly. If you break the rules so to speak and are not sorry yes we do have limited contact (someone said there son was gay for example he would be always welcome back you have to leave somethings behind and he would of got baptized for that to have happened) think of it this way if you husband married you promising to love you but turned out gay and left you for a man would you carry on as normal like nothing happened? No you split up and you wouldn't have the same relationship. If they change you most likely not have them back because the damage is done. But difference is God will forgive them though if they follow his standards. I'm sorry if this offends anyone but we follow God's standards not man's. We are not perfect and make mistakes and there are always bad eggs in any religion. But we do our best to follow what God asks us and mimic our religion much on the first century Christians as followers of Christ.

Happymum12345 · 30/09/2020 20:40

Watch Lloyd Evans in youtube. He will explain better than most on what they’re all about.

Maskedcrusader · 30/09/2020 20:58

My old boss was Jw. I can only say good things about her, very nice lady seemed very involved with her community. Never really talked about her religion or try to force it on us. Her sister was very openly gay with a longtime partner. Her sister had left the religion but they still had a very close relationship as did the rest of the family.

MadameBlobby · 30/09/2020 21:00

@DizzyPigeon

There's no way I could have 'nothing but high regards' for someone that disowned their son because he was gay.

They didn't 'have' to shun him. They chose to.

Dreadful behaviour. I don't care if they would have had to leave their church in order to be decent people towards their own son. What they did is not okay.

Absolutely this.

I have met some really pleasant JWs but as a religious sect they really are just a cult.

cultkid · 30/09/2020 21:09

@katy1213 yes that film was superb wasn't it

BrizNiz · 30/09/2020 21:53

My neighbours are JW and they're a really lovely, warm and friendly family. In terms of the cult thing, couldn't you just apply that to any religion? I don't see how JW is different in that respect.

Dreading2020sSeasonFinale · 30/09/2020 21:56

We are not a cult or sect as we have no human leader.

Not one leader, but a number of elders. Only men too, not women.

All religions are cults and they almost all have male leaders.

Smallsteps88 · 30/09/2020 22:01

My best friend since my teens was raised JW. Her mum and family still are. Really lovely people. Her mum is a real “say it like it is” person but not in a rude way, in a supportive way if that makes sense. She was really good to me when I became a teen mum and helped me out with things when my own family didn’t want to know. They’ve never once tried to talk bible or JW stuff to me. Not in 18 years. Best friend has talked about it but in terms of her own feelings about it all, not in any sort of attempt to recruit me. She’s out of it all now as she married someone who isn’t JW and while it was rocky with her family for a while they’re all fine now and love her husband and DC to bits.

BikiniB0tt0m · 30/09/2020 22:05

At the end of the day the best place to find out if you really want to know the truth about JWs is on their website . This video is called who are JWs

www.jw.org/finder?srcid=jwlshare&wtlocale=E&lank=pub-imv_5_VIDEO

This explains some basics and it's their official website.
There is a lot of misinformation and definitely some untruths.
Like 'Blind and gay people are the devils people' a true witness would never say that, I'm sorry you had that experience.
As a JW you really believe there is a better life ahead and things are in God's hands we believe God gave us the Bible and as a guide in life and Jesus said "Go therefore and make disciples" so we don't want to keep this to ourselves, that's why we share what we believe but if people don't want to know I totally respect that and wish them the best. I would never force my beliefs on anyone, but I happily talk to anyone who wants to know. You don't know unless you ask who interested and who is not.

Dontknownow86 · 30/09/2020 23:42

@Youngatheart00 my mum got sucked in when she had 3 small children and was extremely depressed and hopeless. They provided some support she wasn't getting elsewhere I guess. I understand why she got involved but it sucked all of the joy out of childhood for me.

TableFlowerss · 30/09/2020 23:46

Lovely people the ones I’ve met but don’t open the door if they knock!!!

cybercontroller · 30/09/2020 23:51

@JW101

If you break the rules so to speak and are not sorry yes we do have limited contact (someone said there son was gay for example he would be always welcome back you have to leave somethings behind and he would of got baptized for that to have happened) think of it this way if you husband married you promising to love you but turned out gay and left you for a man would you carry on as normal like nothing happened

The poster never said the son was married though.

lyralalala · 30/09/2020 23:56

There seems to be a huge variance between different Kingdom Halls. When I was growing up my Nana's two sisters became JW's after being knocked on.

In one Kingdom Hall they didn't bat an eyelid that her husband and children were not JW's. My Aunt still came to Christmas dinner (admittedly it was always more "dinner together because everyone is off work" than religious). One of her daughters smoked and had children without being married and it caused no bother. Her view on blood transfusion was always that it was her belief and if one of her children needed one she would respect the fact their beliefs were different.

Whereas the other one was far more like a cult. She was put under a lot of pressure to bring her husband and children. Once it became clear her husband was never going to covert she was repeatedly offered "help" to leave him. After they eventually, inevitably, split up she was encouraged to disown the teenage child who stayed with him. They took a phenomonal amount from her in cash and when she died they were relentless in harassing her children for their part of her estated (literally pressuring them to get things sorted in a few weeks after she died). It was like a totally different thing.