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Have any of you met a true 'psychopath'

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Hearnoevilspeaknoevil · 23/09/2020 21:30

Just wondering.
I watched Des last week and found it chilling. The utter ordinariness of Dennis Nielsen and the normalising his awful crimes.
I was thinking how terms like psycho are so overused and often used to describe overly angry or irrational behaviour.
I believe it's more about a very controlling person who operates outside any 'normal' behaviour boundaries.
I've only met one person who I would say is a psycho. Some with narcissistic traits, plenty of angry people but that cold dead reasoning and complete lack of empathy or even humanity, is much rarer.
Interested to see what others think. Or have experienced.

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LadyFlumpalot · 29/09/2020 18:14

I think I work with one. He doesn't care who he tramples if it makes him look better. He will deliberately cause issues in the project that will have everyone panicking just so he can come along at the 11th hour and fix the issues so he can be a hero.

He is incredibly intelligent, can be utterly charming to people when he wants to be, but only to those who can help him up the ladder.

When my mum died suddenly he wanted to know exactly how she died, he kept pressing me to describe, in detail, her final few minutes, specifically he wanted to know if she was conscious, what her breathing sounded like etc. He said he found it fascinating and could not understand why I was getting so upset. He actually blocked me from leaving the room.

I don't wish to armchair diagnose him, but he's more than just a big standard cunt, he's got something not right about him. It's not a look, a smell or anything like that, it's like his reactions to things and behaviours are slightly off and he resonates oddly.

GetThatHelmetOn · 29/09/2020 19:10

That’s one of there is anyone @ladyflumpalot

It is not normal to relish on that kind of details but forcing a person who is getting visible upset to continue is evil. Keep your distance.

WellTidy · 29/09/2020 19:16

Eckhart there was complete silence. I tried to why I responded to the ‘test question’ in the way that I did, which was that, in my view, there was only one logical answer given the facts of the scenario.

I agree that I may be overthinking. You’re right. But it was quite a shock I was staggered and mortified to be told by my SIL in front of a room full of (their side of the) family members that I was carrying a psychopath gene. I’m quite upset about it still, and I don’t know why.

Catiopea · 29/09/2020 19:27

I think some people would like to be thought of as a psychopath or sociopath - it gives them an ‘out’ i.e. “I can’t be really blamed for x,y,z because I was born/made into a psycho/socio” Hmm

Naah, mate, you did nasty shit because you chose to. Plenty of people with horrific backgrounds still choose to be good people - you are just choosing to be nasty.

Eckhart · 29/09/2020 19:32

Might they have been stunned into silence that she'd suggested something so ridiculous? I'm just thinking of other alternatives to your explanation. They might have been as staggered as you by what she said.

I'm glad nobody said 'Clearly!' or something.

Potterurotter · 29/09/2020 19:36

Yes, I worked with a patient in a mental health hospital who was a psychopath as assessed Hong the psychopathy checklist revised. I used to be sent in a taxi with him so he could go to royal marsden for cancer treatment. He was very charming and sociable but was prone to anger at times, however I would not have known he was a psychopath. One time when staff were cooking a chicken though (staff and patients shared a kitchen) he took the chicken out of the oven once it was cooked and ate it and said it was our fault

Heffalooomia · 29/09/2020 19:36

She announced it to a room of our family members along the lines of ‘OMG you’ve got a psychopath gene’ and not one person, not one, said anything in my favour! It really really disturbed me and I couldn’t stop thinking about it. In the end I concluded that if I really was a psychopath
She's the psycho....the SIL is the cruel manipulative one!

WellTidy · 29/09/2020 19:40

@Eckhart

Might they have been stunned into silence that she'd suggested something so ridiculous? I'm just thinking of other alternatives to your explanation. They might have been as staggered as you by what she said.

I'm glad nobody said 'Clearly!' or something.

That has really made me laugh! I feel better now. Imagine!!
WellTidy · 29/09/2020 19:40

Heffa Honestly, she’s not. She’s nice.

Thisbastardcomputer · 29/09/2020 20:35

This thread is fascinating

Heffalooomia · 29/09/2020 20:37

@WellTidy

Heffa Honestly, she’s not. She’s nice.
OK! (sorry to WellTidy's SIL)
BathshebaKnickerStickers · 29/09/2020 20:47

I once spent a children’s party in the company of Riggi found dead in secure hospital [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-26518278 Theresa Riggi]] and her children.

Superficially she presented as a “helicopter overly fussy older mum” (I’m an older mum..!!).

Tragically she masked well.

AutumnleavesturntoGold · 29/09/2020 21:55

I'd love to know if fil is one. A year after my dad's tragically and suddenly died, also leaving family war and chaos in her wake... Fil said to dh... 'she's still grieving? Hasn't she got over it yet?'.

He berated dh for giving me some wine telling him he should replace what he takes.

If you talk about dh childhood he doesn't talk in a relaxed way about certain '' classic '' memories. It's a run down of eating issues or damage to his house?

There is no emotional chat and Mil has whispered into my ear in a rather sinister way, he'll do anything to win, anything...

crunchiebabe · 12/01/2021 09:49

I was married to one for 15 years. He came across as the most decent and charming people you would ever have the pleasure of meeting. I only learnt the truth after I left and during divorce proceedings .... so glad he's out of our lives. He is truly dangerous.

Iceskatingfan · 12/01/2021 11:22

I believe my abusive ex is one. I’ve never come across anyone who ticks quite like him before and like someone upthread said, I was naive, having been raised to believe the best in people and that all the “bad people” were in jail 🙄

He absolutely had the superficial charm etc. when we met, was the life and soul of the party, and I’d never seen the dead eyes thing, indeed I’d go so far as to say he had particularly magnetic/charismatic eyes... Anyway, gradually I woke up to what was going on.

I do recall having a conversation with him about morals, conscience and guilt where he basically said that guilt was a wasted emotion as it didn’t achieve anything. And that there is no objective truth and nothing can be definitively true or false, that the truth is just what people believe etc. (we were arguing about whether or not he had said a certain sentence or not).

We are unfortunately still embroiled in child custody proceedings years later and although his charisma and charm goes a long way in court even for the judges who you’d think would be wise to such things, he does trip himself up at times by reacting to things the “wrong” way emotionally which he struggles to explain. The only way I’ve ever been able to predict what he’ll do next is by asking myself, if we look at this situation like a game of chess which I must win at all costs and if hurt or damage caused to other humans is not a negative weight in the equation unless it causes personal consequences to me, what is my move now? Using this thought process at times I have accurately predicted behaviour which nobody else including my family, the judge and my lawyers saw coming, including unfortunately at one stage abducting our child.

Since we split up, a couple of times when we’ve talked I have seen the mask slip and the “dead eye” look (I’d actually describe it more like a predator’s eyes, as if a crocodile was eyeing up its next meal) and it is terrifying. He knows that I know now and so he doesn’t put the same effort into hiding it from me/actively enjoys terrifying me with the crocodile eyes knowing that the family courts will never believe me for a second if I tell them he’s a psychopath.

For a long time I worried about our son as I read that it can be inherited and at times I worried that our son lacked empathy when he was younger. However he has fortunately grown into a really caring considerate child and I no longer worry thank goodness. I feel very sorry for him having this man as his father and I carry a lot of guilt about it though.

I also worry about a friend’s son whose ex is in jail for paedophilia and whose son is extremely charming but also lacks empathy in what I personally find a rather shocking way at times even for his own mother. Having said that, he is genuinely caring when it comes to animals and has an autism diagnosis, and every so often he can demonstrate some empathy for his mother, so I’m hoping what I’m seeing is more to do with his autism diagnosis than anything else.

Iceskatingfan · 12/01/2021 11:24

I still worry that I’ll end up dead at his hands. I was terrified in the beginning of splitting up with him despite annon molestation order. What others don’t understand is that a court order is just a bit of paper. And I genuinely believe if he decided it was worth the consequences of killing me, the question of whether it is morally right to kill me or whether he’d feel guilt etc simply wouldn’t factor into it at all. If it’s in his interests I believe he’ll do it. So far I think because he doesn’t want to be in jail, he’s refrained.

LaBellina · 12/01/2021 11:36

I think everyone has a dark side and might have some traits of a psychopath. I know mine: I find it often difficult to feel empathy towards others, I enjoy taking revenge on those who have hurt me but the difference between me and a real psychopath is that I would never deliberately hurt someone who hasn't hurt me first, wouldn't dream of hurting animals and I'm trying my best to be 'good' and be kind to others.

I suspect my father is one as he is cruel (to children (did horrible things to me as a child) and animals (I remember him throwing a mouse he found in the garden against the wall and killing it simply because he doesn't like mice).
He's also calculating, loves to abuse any power he has and has a horrible vile temper.

canigooutyet · 12/01/2021 11:56

Yes I have met 3 true psychopaths.
One still lives in the community and is my mum.
One is my dads brother who has been locked up for over 20 years.
And my first serious boyfriend. He like my mum has spent time in and out of hospital/prison,
I have traits/tendencies and have been sectioned.

HavelockVetinari · 12/01/2021 12:17

Yes, Rurik Jutting - we were at university together, he dated a friend of mine. I had NO idea he would turn out to be a person who murdered women and dismembered the bodies! He was a little bit odd, but certainly didn't come across as a psychopath.

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