Would you go even though it's breaking the rules?

[studychick81]

So, in a bit of a dilemma. Last year a group
Of us 8 adults, 9 children booker a uk camping trip for June. Covid hit so we postponed it until a couple of weeks time. However, now they have changed the rules to 6 only. So we rung the campsite and they aren't happy to change the date again. They said come or loose our money, we have all paid the balance of a few hundred pounds.

We can't decide what to do. Two of the families have made it clear they are still going and describe others on the campsite who might be worried as fun spongers! The other three families are unsure what to do. We don't want to loose the money but aren't sure how social distancing would work with the kids.

7 of the nine children go to the same school and 5 of them are in the same bubble anyway. The parents and I see each other everyday and chat in the playground.

We have hired 5 pods between 4 families so would be sleeping separately as a family unit within the rules. The adults have agreed we can social distance and will have to do planned activities/meals in family groups or groups of 6. But I know the kids won't social distance. They are used to being in a bubble of 48 at school.

What shall we do?

I would, there will be other people there so what difference would it make?

I wouldn't. There's just no real need to be socialising with that many people. And I wouldn't trust that the adults will all distance properly at 2m, not a chance, and I bet they won't wear masks at 1m either.

I think I would go, but try not to mingle too much.

Go!

No, that's not just a little bit outside the rules it's massively outside them.

Are you meant to wear masks at 1m? My Dh and I will wear masks. One ladies husband is very rule abiding I think he will make everyone keep their distance.

There will be others there but I expect not in big groups. I do think about being reported or what their circumstances are. I would hate to pass it to anyone but I guess we would never be near anyone.

I would. You have separate camping pods for sleeping & camping is very much an outdooors thing (weather permitting). There will be more than 6 people at the campsite anyway.

For me there are so many grey areas with the guidelines/rules. To follow them by the letter, you couldn’t camp in the same place as your friends. But you could camp in the same place as 100 strangers.

No, you'd be breaking the law.

No I wouldn't go.

I don't particularly agree with what Boris is doing, and the "Rule of 6" seems somewhat arbitrary BUT I choose to live in a country that has laws.

I may not like the laws but I believe we all have a duty to adhere to the law to protect others.

And remember the Rule of 6 will be LAW from 14th September - it is not a recommendation!!

People that disregard the law are selfish, self-centred individuals who deserve to be punished.

Using their logic - what other laws shall we all disregard?
Shall we pop into John Lewis and help ourselves because we don't agree with the law and rules around shoplifting??

Obey the law - don't go.

I know, it's a lot of people.

We have talked about doing our own thing as groups of 6 during the day but I think it will end you just being in separate families so I kind of think what's the point? Not like we are spending any time together anyway. I worry what the other campers will think. Then coming together on separate tables after the kids have gone to bed. Bringing our own food etc but it doesn't sound much fun.

I would go, but I would make sure I stuck to the adult social distancing & mask wearing.

I also would go. You can choose not to socialise at any given time with more than 6 (ie maybe have a walk with some friends and then dinner with a different set).

No I wouldn’t. There’s no way you will all maintain social distancing.

4 families socialising together wasn't even in current rules, so even if the rule of 6 hadn't come in, you'd have still had to socialise in two separate groups of 2 households each.

I agree with a PP that adults are unlikely to keep 2m apart. Personally I wouldn't go, but I also would have cancelled even before the new rules.

The thing with the groups of 6- unless you are keeping the groups to the same 6 people for the entire stay then it’s entirely pointless. There is no logic to going out with 5 other people then going back to the campsite and sitting with 5 completely different people.

Zig- yes that's what we would do. I do feel what's the point though as it takes the fun out of it.

I think stealing from John Lewis is a bit different, we aren't stealing, no one is loosing money.

It's the children, it will be impossible to keep them separated, they won't understand as 5/9 of them are in the same bubble anyway.

Are you meant to wear masks at 1m?
It's 1 metre plus, so 1 metre as long you have some sort of mitigation, masks is one, sitting side by side rather than facing each other is another, and I think being outside might be another but not certain.

We would have lost our money. It was postpone or loose money. Back when it was cancelled it was impossible to know if we would have been ok by September or not. It was better to change the date then loose our money unnecessarily

Where in the U.K. are you camping?

If you’ve got 9 kids then you need to split them into two groups to play. Could you ask for 2 pods away from the others to help them distance? So two sets of kids can play together, and only mix with the other group when you organise outings, walks etc in different groups of 6.

Pea- yes we would have to. It all sounds like hard work and who do you let together without others feeling left out?

I don't think we would have to stick to the same group all the time. My understanding is you can see 5 others from any household at the same time. So I could see one group of 5 and then a different group and another in the same day, just no more than 6 together at one time. To me that seems rather silly.

I think stealing from John Lewis is a bit different, we aren't stealing, no one is loosing money.

If you, however unintentionally, assist in the transmission of the virus then it's just as bad IMO. If virus transmission in your area goes up and there is greater restriction brought in then you may well have, in some part, been partly responsible. And the implications could be more serious.

If they are already calling you a "fun sponge" for considering not going, do you honestly think social distancing would be maintained?

It sounds like you will be mocked for wearing your mask and trying to keep a safe distance.

As a PP said, it will be law as of Monday, it's not a suggestion. You can be fined. It's also not just 1 or 2 people over the 6, it's 17 people!

I really wouldn't advise going

I'd go 100%. We're going this weekend with other families. We're on our own pitches so we can distance.

So two sets of kids can play together, and only mix with the other group when you organise outings, walks etc in different groups of 6.

How ridiculous. Pointless to have groups of 6 at all if you’re going to do that.

If you’re going to be in Scotland under 12’s don’t count.