Would you go even though it's breaking the rules?

[studychick81]

So, in a bit of a dilemma. Last year a group
Of us 8 adults, 9 children booker a uk camping trip for June. Covid hit so we postponed it until a couple of weeks time. However, now they have changed the rules to 6 only. So we rung the campsite and they aren't happy to change the date again. They said come or loose our money, we have all paid the balance of a few hundred pounds.

We can't decide what to do. Two of the families have made it clear they are still going and describe others on the campsite who might be worried as fun spongers! The other three families are unsure what to do. We don't want to loose the money but aren't sure how social distancing would work with the kids.

7 of the nine children go to the same school and 5 of them are in the same bubble anyway. The parents and I see each other everyday and chat in the playground.

We have hired 5 pods between 4 families so would be sleeping separately as a family unit within the rules. The adults have agreed we can social distance and will have to do planned activities/meals in family groups or groups of 6. But I know the kids won't social distance. They are used to being in a bubble of 48 at school.

What shall we do?

I wouldn’t go. It’s not just a couple over, it’s massively over. Just imagine if everyone thought this was acceptable and broke the rules and carried on as normal.

Id go.

Exactly as said above. It’s way way over the numbers.

Go

If you and/or the children won't be social distancing then no.

I think we all need to suck up the inconvenience and loss of money and do our bit to reduce transmission.

I'd be really annoyed if my kid's classmate returned from a camping trip with 17 people and resulted in DC missing more of his education.

Go! I think you'd be mad not to

I would go but as my own family unit, say hello from a distance but not eat or do activities together.

A friend of mine has just booked and paid for Centrparcs for her family. One lodge for 5 households with a total of 10 people. It cost £2200 for a weekend. They are still going.

I'd go but mostly do stuff with just my household.

*The police will have the powers to enforce these legal limits, including to issue fines (fixed penalty notice) of £100, doubling for further breaches up to a maximum of £3,200
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Is the fine per group or per erson?

@Venicelover

A friend of mine has just booked and paid for Centrparcs for her family. One lodge for 5 households with a total of 10 people. It cost £2200 for a weekend. They are still going.

They think they are still going but I doubt Centreparcs will be keen on these larger bookings going ahead - it won't look good for them facilitating/turning a blind eye to unlawful behaviour on their premises.

TBH unless anyone involved lives in a high rates of infection area I would go, given its already booked. SD the adults, eat separately and socialise outside, where the risk is massively reduced. I'd feel different if you were all converging from different parts of the country, but it sounds like you're all mostly in contact anyway, so its not exactly going to make a massive difference.

No @tenlittlecygnets there are most certainly “grey areas”.

And thank you for pointing out that the new rules are also law. I am clearly far too ignorant to have know that without your wisdom .

We are fucked arent we? So many people think they can adjust the rules for their opinions and convenience. And it's the vulnerable people in society who will suffer the most, because people dont want to cancel their trips. It sickens me.

It doesn't matter if they're in bubbles at school or not. The whole concept of being able to keep schools open was to reduce meeting up outside and so reduce community transmission. As many people aren't doing it, using the excuse "ah well they're mixing at school" so we have an upward trend in transmission.

The longer they spend with one another - and particularly in proximity to other people (so parents etc.) the higher the risk of taking it into the school.

Viral load is an issue. If they sit nearish a classmate who is infected they may not become infected themselves or they may become ill but receive a small viral load. If they go camping with same classmate, laughing/playing /eating /drinking - the risk is much higher.

As a teacher with moderate covid risk factors, mixing with 100 people a day with no ppe and no distancing, I am grateful to those students who are careful outside of the building.

Laws are not for interpretation. I cannot understand why people don't just follow them and so we all get through this quicker. Or at all.

You'd have to spend the whole time keeping away from each other in groups of up to 6 and reminding children not to mingle etc (because other people will be there judging, it's not like hiding in your house breaking the rules iykwim). I get you, is it worth it? Not sure I could be bothered with policing everything and then being made to feel bad when others don't want to follow the rules etc.

@Venicelover

A friend of mine has just booked and paid for Centrparcs for her family. One lodge for 5 households with a total of 10 people. It cost £2200 for a weekend. They are still going.

I think most companies are cancelling these sort of bookings as they know they can't legally sell to a group over 6...might take a while to get round all of them though!

I would definitely go, but socially distance as much as is possible and extra handwashing.
Imo this rule of 6 thing isnt intended to be followed to the letter, it's to make it easier to break up parties, raves and protests.
In the first instance police will ask you to disperse, if you refuse then you can then be fined. So worse case you'll be asked to stay apart.

I wouldn't go. We camp and I know what it's like. Half the point is that once you're there, the kids can run free. There's no way you'll social distance. You might intend to, but it won't happen.

Since youre not staying together and have entirely seperate pods, id still go

When is this trip? October? or a weekend in September?
I think I'd go but obviously am not following very well.

No way

I'd go.

You're going to be outdoors. Just keep a, distance, don't share food and drink. Don't hug.

There couldn't be a more perfect type of holiday to keep a social distance. Surely it's better than sitting on a plane for three hours and then living hotel life with a bunch of people.

I'd go.
Ensure that the adults are in groups of a legal size, outside and being sensible.
Let kids be kids and they are at no more risk than they are on the school playground anyway.