Just got called a cunt by a 10 year old. How's your Friday?

[EllisRoses]

Group of 10-12 year olds in the play park singing along to Cardi B "bring a mop and a bucket for my wet ass pussy" on repeat, throwing rubbish everywhere and kicking balls towards my toddlers head. I told them this isn't the place and to go play elsewhere if they're going to kick balls around. They all laughed and turned the music up and continued kicking ball around and singing about pussies, before asking me what I was looking at and to fuck off. I said I'm looking at a bunch of children who despite trying to act cool and grown up, still hang out in a play park, which says it all really. The youngest of the group called me an 'old cunt'. I'm 25

How's your Friday going?

Kids hear words and don't think they are that bad perhaps! I did used to hear awful swear words in my primary school playground as a kid. I remember that I'd never heard the c word before, and fk was something my mum.only ever, rarely said when she was furious with my dad! I knew the c word must be bad, cos the other kids would never say it in front of the teachers 😆

Yes the lyrics seem outrageous but there are so many songs with obscene lyrics relating to a mans sexual pleasure, which seem to be overlooked.
People are much more outraged that a woman is singing these lyrics.

You can't just have it one way, and it's definitely a common theme with certain artists already.

Saying this, it's still not appropriate for ten year olds either way!

@bumblebeebiz

I don't remember the last time a male rapper had an entire song dedicated to his big, rock hard dick.

If anything, I think that would be less likely to be accepted. How many men are going to sing about another man's dick in public?

There have always been loads like this
I definitely remember them from my childhood in the 90s. In fact, half the play area was burnt down by feral teens when I was a kid. In the recent hot weather, the police were looking for teens where I live now because they were regularly setting fire to fields and hedges deliberately. I saw a local council post about it and get one response from an adult that this is 'just what kids do, not anti-social behaviour'. Eh? It's actual arson!

I can only assume the arsehole kids from my youth are the areshole parents of today. Making sure their kids know it's 'their right' to do whatever the fuck they want with impunity.

Thankfully, as always, most kids/teens are lovely.

There are absolutely masses of songs from men about exactly the same kind of stuff, but if a woman does it it's filthy? No it's not appropriate in a little kids play area, but picking out that one song as exceptionally awful is sexist. nme did a list of 50 examples last year

@RainbowOrchid

Our local dog park is full of feral kids and parents at the moment. The latest 'thing' is taking a shit in the bush as they cant be bothered to walk home, and a woman encouraging her toddler to poo on the grass. A dog Walker handed her a poo bag and told her to pick it up as we have to pick our dog poo up Dogs are always coming out of the bushes with dirty nappies in their mouths, its absolutely vile. The language from the 9/10/11 year olds makes my eyes water. One Lad was throwing shaken bottles of coke at passers by. I pity the teachers next week!!

Dear God, that's awful

User.
You said that there has always been ‘explicit’ lyrics. There hasn’t and you haven’t provided any lyrics to back up your claim. I agree song writers have always referenced sex, but pre Frankie it would have been delivered more ambiguously and gone over the head of most kids.
There’s been a steady progression from the 80’s onwards to make more and more shocking music, until we arrive at today and kids are singing about wet pussy in a children’s play area ? And I’m not a fan of misogynistic, or overly sexually explicit music from either sex. This isn’t because I’m a prude, but because its shit.
Lastly - IMO there isn’t anything particularly progressive about two women allegedly reclaiming their sexuality, or whatever the fuck they are doing, that appeals more to a male gaze than a female one. The song is both tedious and utterly vile, alongside other similar songs from both male and female artists and serves no other purpose than to lower the bar just that bit further.

That Cardi B quote is horrible, it's the sort of thing teenage boys would say with contempt about a woman they'd slept with. Up there with "sloppy seconds".
Things that require a mop and bucket: Spillages. Floors. Toilets. Leaks.

How the hell is it empowering to talk about your body and what it does, as if it's a squalid thing that needs to be sanitised?

Squirrelsbizzar, yes there have always been explicit lyrics. The records from the '70s that I was referencing were by an artist who called himself Judge Dread. The songs and lyrics can be found here:
genius.com/artists/Judge-dread
So see for yourself. Up With The Cock is one that I vividly remember, and there was another referencing anal sex which is probably in the list of songs in the link. I haven't looked through them all in detail, as they are vile. They were deemed 'funny' at the time as well as dirty, but they are just horrible. It goes without saying that he was banned from radio, but he quite the cult following at the time.
I agree there has been a steady progression in shock value, and WAP is a good example of that now, but yes, there have indeed always been musical 'artists' who are sexually explicit.
I agree about your views on the latest song. I don't like it either, but then I would listen to Rihanna. Some of her music is explicit, but I enjoy her music in general, not just the songs referencing sex. She doesn't talk about mops and buckets though, it isn't on that level, which I agree is vile.
It is beyond sad and depressing if this is what a lot of kids listen to, and it is shocking that 10 yr olds would be singing along to it.

Sadly, I'm not overly familiar with the work of Judge Dread, but 'Up with the cock' sounds more like a naughty riddle that adults would sing down the pub, when the kids where tucked up in bed.
'I know a girl who works on a farm
If you listen to me I'll tell you a yarn
Always asleep by ten o'clock
At six on the dot she's up with the cock' hardly comparable to the Cardi B song, its more like he kind of innuendo you would hear in a pantomime - maybe I've been desensitised to this kind of filth.
I'm sure that song writers and artists have always made explicit references to sex but it wasn't intended for a wider audience and if it was it would have been quickly banned - which appears to be the case here, unlike the Wap song?
I'm not trying to suggest that I lived through some kind of halycon era, but my original point, that wasn't directed at you, was that you can hardly be surprised when kids start to speak like this when they're surrounded by this kind of language. The decline in their language will correlate with the rise in bad language in their environment (adults swearing) and popular culture.

The result of scummy, lazy parents who tell their little darlings that they can do whatever they want....

Add to that many rap 'artists' who sell filth and violence because they know that will make them rich while having a nice life in million pounds mansions. Not to mention the internet bringing us a generation fed on cheap, exploitative porn.

I always think it is healthy for teenagers to build their own identity, challenge preconceived ideas and have some fun within reason.

But my sympathy ends when it comes to feral, threatening, foul-mouthed yobs who think no one can touch them. Those will grow up to be useless, up to no good adults...

A very British thing too I must say to have teenagers running riot to that extent...

Whether or not the Judge Dread songs were meant for a wider audience isn't really the point. He had a big cult following including many teenagers, which means those records would have been played in homes and heard by all ages. I have a teenage son, another teen and younger ones. If my teenage son was playing songs out loud with lyrics like that, as his mum, it would be bloody mortifying, and the younger ones would be hearing it, and copying the words the way kids do.
Did you also look at the Quora link I posted with the old blues and jazz songs? They obviously pre dated the '70s. Some of those lyrics were a lot worse than Judge Dread. Seems like it goes way back, and very explicit lyrics clearly have always been around.
Ok, you don't deem the Judge Dread songs to be on a par with WAP, if you have children, would you want them singing along to any of those JD lyrics? It might seem pantomime like to us, and I'm sure my dad found it hilarious too, but my mum hated those records with a vengeance and honestly, she didn't find any of it funny and they are really horrible when you think about the way women are described and portrayed, not just in that one song, but in most ,if not all his songs. I've never heard the word tits and cock used at the Christmas panto either. That would be a step significantly further than harmless panto innuendo, that the kids don't have any clue about! Perhaps you go to the late adult performance of Cinderella or something?!
I really don't remember ever thinking it was acceptable to repeat the words to those particular songs, and there were even some Madonna songs that I wouldn't repeat as a pre-teen, having found out what they meant through reading music magazines and asking questions. These days there are some words and attitudes which have become normalised because of the media and certain famous people, who present themselves in a very sexualised way. Look at any social media, and it's there starting you in the face. Women being presented and seen as very sexual is becoming very normalised, and the language used, is too. I don't think there will be a decline in language generally because of this alone though. A decline in language would be due to other factors too, and knock on effects of those other factors, etc.. but it could contribute to it, I do agree.

Requinblanc I agree with you in that there are some parents who honestly don't give a shit.

In a spectacular feat of parenting I encouraged my (snuggly, v. Imature) 10yo to say the worst word he knew in order to get rid of his frustration & go back ho playing peaceably with my friends kids, thinking he would say shit at worst. Nope, CUNT at the top of his voice!

Oops

When my eldest DS was in year 5/aged 9 he came out of school one afternoon and told me that he'd heard a word in school that he didn't know. Thinking it was something he'd heard in a lesson I asked what the word was - "cunt, what does it mean?" I had my other three DC with me and we were walking with my friend and her three DC so there were seven children looking at me, expectantly waiting for a definition of the word.

Gancanny, oh no!...This is kind of what I meant in what I was saying about one listens to a song and then all the younger ones might then be hearing it and asking too.

..and singing along 😳

teenagers are NOT 9, 10, 11 year olds and some of the younger ages referenced in this thread.
I didn't use bad language at that age and I don't recall any of my peer group using it either - because I wasn't exposed to it and I certainly didn't have a sheltered up bringing.

Alright Squirrelsbazzar, that's fair enough with the age thing, but I was probably around 10/11 when I first heard the JD records, but even at 13 or 14 they would have been quite shocking, hearing them for the first time, as I was quite young in my ways I suppose, for my age. Also as I gave pointed out, younger children can and are influenced by the older ones. When my older teen plays music, the others generally hear it or are curious to know what it is.

I’m in America.
I humbly apologize, truly I do.
Personally, I cannot stand Cardi B nor her “gangster behavior” & disgusting lyrics.
I despair that she’s the idol kids are looking up to these days & whose words they’re repeating.
Some extreme Christian woman posted on Twitter the other day that the world needs more Melanias and less Cardi B’s.
I don’t know which is scarier.

@uglyface

One of the only benefits left to being a teacher is that you develop a special ‘tone’ that puts the fear of God into kids like this.

Sadly it has zero effect on my toddler.

@uglyface

Oh my gosh you just reminded me - my mum taught six-year-olds in primary school. I was visiting one day when she was on “yard duty”. All of a sudden she blew her whistle and out came this bellowing, angry “I MEAN BUSINESS” voice that I had never heard her use growing up. I don’t know if the little kids straightened up but I sure did. 😳

This was my life every day when I was teaching. Can't say I miss it...

@bumblebeebiz

Yes the lyrics seem outrageous but there are so many songs with obscene lyrics relating to a mans sexual pleasure, which seem to be overlooked. People are much more outraged that a woman is singing these lyrics.

You can't just have it one way, and it's definitely a common theme with certain artists already.

Saying this, it's still not appropriate for ten year olds either way!

I've got to say I disagree with this. I'm 25 and have grown up with Rihanna having multiple songs about sex, Beyoncé smashing the radio one charts singing about giving head in the back of a limo, even Ariana Grande was number one last year or the year before singing about being shagged so hard she couldn't walk, I'm kind of desensitised to it, but I choked no pun intended on my drink when Cardi came on radio rapping "I don't wanna spit, I wanna gulp I wanna gag, I wanna choke, I want you to touch that lil' dangly thing that swing in the back of my throat"

"Beyoncé smashing the radio one charts singing about giving head in the back of a limo, even Ariana Grande was number one last year or the year before singing about being shagged so hard she couldn't walk"

I must have missed those ones.

I don't think she'll win an Ivor Novello for those lyrics then
Is this the woman who named her daughter Kulture?

I had a group of teen boys telling me to suck their cock. I told them I would if I could find it. Not sure what possessed me to say that but it did the trick, they all backed away from me like I was a crazy woman

I'm not a prude but those lyrics are pretty horrible lol.