Ban adverts for SUVs?

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see www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53607147.
Personally I think it would be pointless, as I suspect people have already made up their mind that they want an over-sized car and and the lack of adverts will not change their minds.

Anyone who says you need an SUV is full of shit. They’re terrible for the environment and entirely antisocial

I need an SUV. And I have an SUV. What are you going to do about it?

The environmental impact of SUVs is not up for debate. The damage they cause is an established fact

More BS.

What about all the environmental damage when chopping down trees galore to mine for minerals for battery powered cars? All the pollutants created while processing various elements to produce battery cells.

Oh, and what fuels the electricity that then powers battery powered cars? Fossil fucking fuels! 🤦‍♂️

Do us a favour and pull the other one.

Battery powered EVs and the like are the biggest con since morons claimed the Earth was flat. So please do FO with your patronising, biased load of cobblers.

I like my SUV. Although it's V8 says it's an estate. I don't drive everywhere. I'll admit if DH could
Drive and we were able to have 2 cars I would be happier as I could have a smaller car for my commute. The height is great because I have a lot of pain in my hips and pelvis when clambering about. I am a decent driver. It took me a little while to get used to the new dimensions and my smaller car could turn on a dime. But I now drive as well as I did in my small car. I drove a long distance recently and couldn't believe how fuel efficient my car was. I've previously driven or been driven the same route in various smaller cars and none of them faired as well.

@PaddyF0dder
Read my previous post and then send your post to my body that took 16 years to diagnose and to the team of 13 different consultants and clinicians who I have to visit every 6 months until the day I die.

Wind your neck in and shut up.

For all those saying that suvs are not bad for the environment......

Growing demand for SUVs was the second largest contributor to the increase in global CO2 emissions from 2010 to 2018. No other energy sector except power drove a larger increase in carbon emissions, putting SUVs ahead of heavy industry (including iron, steel, cement and aluminium), aviation and shipping.
www.theguardian.com/environment/ng-interactive/2019/oct/25/suvs-second-biggest-cause-of-emissions-rise-figures-reveal

I drive an estate car. It just happens to have four wheel drive and lots of ground clearance.

My husband has a "Light 4x4 utility". There's nothing sporty about it.

@FartingInTheFence

Not planning on doing anything about it.

To address your pint s about electric cars, which I’m actually pretty knowledgable and experienced in:

1. Production of electric cars is not great for the environment. Production of fossil fuel cars is not great for the environment. Lifetime environmental cost for fossil fuels cars more than exceed that of electric cars

1. Fuel source

It’s funny how anti-environmental types seem to think the grid is fossil fuelled. As I write this, 36% of the grid is fossil. It fluctuates, and also differs geographically around the country.

So: my electric car is mostly non-fossil powered. Your fossil fuel car: always, always, always fossil.

But yeah. Keep arguing against reality. That’ll get your really far in life.

@Realitybites21

How would I send my post to your body?

It also doesn’t sound like you’re 6ft or 6ft4 as we are: it really does do your back in getting a child into a low down car. Not to mention that DH doesn’t even fit behind he wheel of most smaller cars.

My DH is 6'4 and DS2 is 6'5. We've got a VW Polo as our second car and DS2 has a VW Polo as he lives and works in a city so doesn't need a big car. They're both more than able to fit behind the wheel, obviously.

Our main car is an MPV because I'm disabled and find it more difficult to get in and out of a low down car. If an SUV suited me I'd buy one, however it would make no difference to me if they were advertised on the telly or not.

Hahaha @RunningAwaywiththeCircus I know exactly what you mean about the new ones. They don't look right.

They give me the urge to prise the number plate off and stick it in the middle where it should be

That's the Disco. I'm glad it's not just me!

@PaddyF0dder
You seem to think you have the answer for everything, you’ll find a way

You’ll be back at school next month, hopefully you’ll get educated on hidden disabilities and manners.

I drive a Volvo XC90 which is more fuel efficient than my old BMW hatchback. Due our third child soon and it was very difficult to find a car that wasn't a people carrier that could fit 3 car seats across the back and have space for our dog in the boot.

We’ve managed without an SUV (2 babies and a toddler then: 2 toddlers and a small kid now). Managed to fit twin buggy etc in

Managed. Some of us don’t want to manage but are happier with convenience.

That said, I don’t even have a car and use public transport, but I don’t begrudge people wanting to have a bit of convenience in their life.

Besides, when it comes to emissions, nothing anyone does in the U.K. means anything

I’ve been in China long enough to see their love affair with giant SUVs grow to epic proportions. Particularly Range Rovers.

So if you think banning SUVs in the U.K. does anything to reduce emissions, you need more math in your life. Srsly.

Would make things safer for pedestrians though. That does actually matter

A pertinent issue is the move towards ERF in car seats for children up to age four. I have a mid sized chunky car (not an SUV) and the car seat specialist we spoke to said that there would be a limit to the car seats we could buy that would support ERF and leave enough legroom in the passenger seat. Add another seat into the equation and a double buggy into our small boot and you’d be struggling a lot. I can’t fit our single buggy and a weekly shop in as it is.

Maybe estate cars would be better for families with more than one child under five, although I don’t know if their effect on the environment is any better.

@MangoFeverDream

I fully accept that the UK is small potatoes in terms of global emissions. But I don’t accept that as being reason to do nothing. The more powerful developed nations need to lead.

China is also a massive market for electric cars. They could well go the other way.

Lifetime environmental cost for fossil fuels cars more than exceed that of electric cars

LOL

Wait till you tree huggers have to decide what to do with the shedload of used batteries that cant be recycled.

It’s funny how anti-environmental types seem to think the grid is fossil fuelled. As I write this, 36% of the grid is fossil. It fluctuates, and also differs geographically around the country

So lets give you some facts and figures that you can chew on:

www.energy-uk.org.uk/our-work/generation/electricity-generation.html

(Granted the data is 2016, but the percentages will have changed by very small amounts, not revolutionary amounts)

Fossil fuels

Most of the UK’s electricity is produced by burning fossil fuels, mainly natural gas (42% in 2016) and coal (9% in 2016). A very small amount is produced from other fuels (3.1% in 2016). The volume of electricity generated by coal and gas-fired power stations changes each year, with some switching between the two depending on fuel prices

Nuclear

21% of our electricity comes from nuclear reactors

Even taking your 36% mythical figure, it still proves that combined with nuclear power, electricity is still created using non-renewable sources. Over two-thirds of it.

So stick that where your polluting battery-powered cars ass dont shine....🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️😂

@FartingInTheFence

National grid live status:

grid.iamkate.com/

Renewable fuels top fossil fuels over the past year:

ieefa.org/national-grid-renewable-generation-in-u-k-topped-fossil-fuels-for-entire-year/

Recyclability of electric car batteries:

www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1682-5

Sorry, but if you’re going to be condescending, at least try to be right.

I love a Mumsnet thread where we are all told the answer is simple. Go electric. They are so expensive. Eye wateringly in many cases. It will be years before I could think about spending that much on a car. I also don't go in for PCP, I'd get shafted by the mileage charge.

You might wanna look at those stats yourself @PaddyF0dder - all I see is a greater proportion of non-renewable energy producing electricity!

🤷‍♀️🤣😂

Nice try though.

Keep on hugging those trees.....

@FartingInTheFence

Ugh, you’re one of those.

Never mind. Science is hard. Carry on.

All those who agree, tell us about the things you love and we will arrange to have them banned. No need to thank us.

China is also a massive market for electric cars. They could well go the other way

I’ve not seen that. But electric bicycles and mopeds are very popular (I had one) but definitely not cars.

Recyclability of electric car batteries

Did u read that?

Here’s some choice quotes:

Although re-use and current recycling processes can divert some of these wastes from landfill, the cumulative burden of electric-vehicle waste is substantial given the growth trajectory of the electric-vehicle market. This waste presents a number of serious challenges of scale

The researchers admit the enormity of the task here.

In time, it is anticipated that the supply of used electric-vehicle batteries will far exceed the quantity that the second-use market can absorb

At present there is no standardization of design for battery packs, modules or cells within the automotive sector, and it is unlikely that this will happen in the near future

Even if all the benefits of second-use are realized, however, it must be remembered that recycling (if not landfill) is the inevitable fate of all batteries

At present there is little hope that profitable processes will be found for all types of current and future types of electric-vehicle LIBs without substantial successful research and development

So the technology is not there yet, and little guarantee that this will be achievable either.

Banning or restricting such adverts would be of benefit, but is not what I would prefer.

I'd consider a large car to be a separate category of car licence and require you take a separate driving test in one. Most people with the choice of their driving test again or a smaller car would take the smaller car, I think.

That’s indeed true. But that’s still a better situation than the recyclability of used fossil fuels (none, for a few hundred million years, until carbon deposits form again. Because that’s the alternative.