ADs, Corvids and the sequacious masses

[Mascotte]

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The use of US political things, ie if you don’t wear a mask you’re a Trump supported, in UK discussions is so annoying and evidence of a lack of critical thinking.

It’s not mask wearing, or the lack of it’s that the issue but mandatory mask wearing and officious people who think it’s their job to police society.

Mine is pretty obsessed with machine learning and robotics (his area of work) so we gets lots about that. I'm sure has slight OCD tendencies too. Not sure.

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Well we went out to dinner last night, independent place, fully expecting it to be a bit stressy, it was amazing! Busy but spaced, some weird stuff like no salt and pepper pots, just sachets but staff were ungloved, unmasked, menus were handed out and returned, no one policing the loos! Had to leave trace info but only name and email which they had from my booking anyway.
It was lovely (apart from the old bat on the next table who kept up a constant commentary about the pandemic, ffs love we've come out to get a break from this stuff!)

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There’s a citizen’s peaceful gathering at 1pm on this Sunday the 19 in Trafalgar Square with speakers against what has happened to children re education , abuse cases that have risen, the elderly dying alone, children domestic abuse, redundancies, mandatory mask wearing etc

They could also be used for poking people if they get too close

We have helpfully all been given these Hygiene Hook Keyrings at work which if nothing else are very useful for poking people.

BogRollBOGOF "I love him, but he can be a PITA."*

Mine's wfh which seems to involve a lot of breaks. I've never known anyone make so much noise eating a banana. I keep asking if there's any news on getting back to the office, and he says he prefers being at home

He's got a fucking nectarine now. I'm off upstairs.

Yes @Shodan, I want a fan now 😃

Sorry to hear about your dad 💐

shodan

could we not just use fans Good idea, but I favour those little battery powered ones you can get for about £3 at checkouts in the summer. If we all used them to blow other people's own exhaled air back at them, who'd need masks?

We could do it very passive aggressively too. I actually want to do that....

@BellaintheWychElm

Erm?? What does it do??

Cool name btw! Though another good example of how urban stories take a form of their own!

I apologise if this is already somewhere on the thread but...what is the evidence on mask wearing?

I'm seeing people saying everywhere that "the evidence is clear now" but what exactly are they talking about? Have I missed something?

There is a very conclusive statement from the BMA that masks would help prevent spread but what is this actually based on?

[quote Worldgonecrazy]@BellaintheWychElm

Erm?? What does it do??

Cool name btw! Though another good example of how urban stories take a form of their own![/quote]
Thank you

Apparently it can hook doors to open, use the pointy bit on touch pads, ring doorbells all manner of stuff.

Alternatively - just do stuff as normal and wash your hands.....

@Mascotte Thank you.

I really love Allflightscancelled's idea of blowing other people's exhalations back at them.

Can you imagine their faces??

@MovingtoCardiff there are loads of studies, all based on different premises but assuming face coverings/masks worn properly. You can probably take your pick of which one supports your position 😃

My position really is that I don't think the disease is dangerous enough or prevalent enough to justify state imposed face coverings, but i wear mine if i must go out, as I have obeyed the other rules. The whole thing has sucked the joy out of any outings though.

@Shodan

I am actually going to get one, and keep it in my pocket for in case a mask dementor gets in my face. Because when they do that, they really need telling. Not because I think they'll give me COVID but because it's rude and unpleasant, and they seem to think wearing a mask somehow negates all the rules of common politeness.

@MovingtoCardiff

I apologise if this is already somewhere on the thread but...what is the evidence on mask wearing?

I'm seeing people saying everywhere that "the evidence is clear now" but what exactly are they talking about? Have I missed something?

There is a very conclusive statement from the BMA that masks would help prevent spread but what is this actually based on?

I've searched a few times and can find nothing conclusive.

The best I could find was this site -

lockdownsceptics.org/scientific-information-on-masks-against-covid-19/

But it was published in April and all the advice has been superseded. I can't find any evidence as to why the advice has changed though.

I know the thread has moved on but I wanted to thank everyone who engaged last night with your measured and reasonable views.

I was really upset at what I perceived as an invasion of a space where it was ok to be distressed about the mask thing and you all brought it back to being that space so thank you for that from a mostly lurker.

I feel similar, Mascotte. I am taking mask-wearing very seriously in my clinical work, & I wear one outside of work if I have to. I'm in no way complacent about covid.

But I just can't get my head around this specific disease being dangerous enough to warrant the protracted destruction of a joyful life.

My friend started talking about healthy young people dying of covid yesterday, and therefore masks were necessary etc - I know she's anxious- and yes, it's tragic, but so is a healthy young person dying of anything.

Maybe I have seen too many people's lives changed forever by other diseases? Perhaps the fear around covid is so strong because you can catch it from another person? You can't catch injuries from an accident, you can't catch a stroke. It doesn't make them less devastating.

Aw, ISaySteadyOn glad it's helpful. Just as there will always be space in a foreign field that is forever England (or summit like that), in MN there will always be a space that is not dementory

" anyone been to Cotswold Outdoor, are they dementory?"

I don't know about CO, but my local Mountain Warehouse has been so non-dementory, down to the lady behind the counter radiating joy at being back at work, that I have spent a fortune there on stuff I didn't need. I suppose if the weather doesn't buck up the fleeces will come in handy.

@MovingtoCardiff
4 min video why Most masks Are useless

www.facebook.com/joshdavvy2/videos/1302686983261405/

I actually thought being as they are "following the science" they would at least have had a briefing and rolled out Whitty or Vallance to at least give lip service to why the "science" had changed.

@ButterMeCrumpets Can I ask why you think this will ‘be around until next year’ specifically? What exactly do you think will change it? I’m not starting anything, I’m just interested in the views of people that keep on saying ‘next year’.

AnxiousElephant77 my own thinking about it being next year is that they are being driven by SM. Everyone is screaming of a second wave with things opening up. Now that hasn't happened it talk of it's going to be awful over winter with this on top of the flu season. So my thoughts are that they won't relax this guidance until we are over that period because they are placating those fears. If we get to next spring and the world hadn't ended because of Covid then I think they might have to concede that some of the guidance is over the top.

I would love to be proved wrong and we relax the mandatory mask and other things this year but I just can't see that happening given the mass SM effort to promote fear amongst everyone.

I still marvel at how I hung on to every word Whitty and Vallance said in the beginning. Now every time I hear their names I shudder.