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'Cancel' culture

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Megatron · 08/07/2020 10:51

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53330105

Forgetting anyone's opinions on JKR, (I know they are pretty mixed on here) as she is only one of many, many public figures who have signed this, what are your feelings on 'cancel' culture?

I recently came off Twitter because I'm sick to death with many innocuous posts being dissected, taken out of context, unpicked and twisted etc resulting in baying mobs declaring that that particular person is now cancelled.

No debate, no discussion, just cancelled.

Active discussion seems to be almost discouraged sometimes and hoards of people seem to have one giant toddler tantrum and declare that someone is finished, done, cancelled.

Surely, that isn't a good thing?

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BedknobsNoBroomsticks · 09/07/2020 09:16

Completely agree.

Who is the one deciding what opinions we are and are not allowed to have? What makes their opinion the correct one.

Megatron · 09/07/2020 11:34

@Jjou

Attached are 2 tweets from an article on HuffPost re: cancel culture. Terrifying really. “Comply with the correct way of thinking” WTF? Confused
FFS. 'Comply with the correct way of thinking'??? That's really fucking worrying that anyone would even think of this and more worrying that anyone would agree with it.
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EmpressoftheMundane · 09/07/2020 20:23

This is the problem. The line of what is hate speech is moving swiftly. Democracy requires discussion and debate. Hate speech laws are being manipulated/abused/misapplied by people to control the agenda. It’s a very bad situation.

grafittiartist · 11/07/2020 12:44

m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3UeUnRxE0E&feature=share

My husband came across this yesterday and I thought that it was relevant.
I'm not sure what the campaign is that he's talking about, but the sentiment is relevant.
It's from 8 years ago.

cyclingmad · 11/07/2020 13:10

Should just 'Cancel' twitter.

I stay off alot of social media now, never used twitter, no longer use snapchat. Just have Facebook to hear about events and keep in touch with friends. Insta - but I stopped posting and come on here now and again.

Just one more thing to teach your child, don't post anything on social media that could be seen to be controversial as it will come back to bite you at any point in life.

inglory · 11/07/2020 16:04

How does cancel
culture work with criminals? Do "we" never forgive them?

PennyNotSoWise · 11/07/2020 16:28

@Jjou

Attached are 2 tweets from an article on HuffPost re: cancel culture. Terrifying really. “Comply with the correct way of thinking” WTF? Confused
I think that the Jarvis person in the first tweet is a parody account, taking the piss out of all the bullshit shit people spout with utter conviction.

I think the fact that I can't actually tell if it's serious or not says a lot about the state of everything right now. Or I'm just thick Grin

MickeyMouse2021 · 10/07/2021 14:18

@Pinnacular

I see micro versions of the same knee jerk censorship on MN when people are so quick to say block or delete people over singular instances, even LTB becomes an exercise in piling on. There are obviously things that shouldn't be tolerated, but this often feels like an inability to accept failings on others, to discuss and reach understanding or compromise. We all have failings. I think we all hope for compassion but often can't show it to others. It must have a massive societal mental health burden too, as I imagine these people are as harsh on themselves as other people, and those who don't get a chance to answer their critics also suffer.
I have been a victim of ‘cancel culture’ on MN. If you are wondering how come I’m typing this, well I was so upset, I got an I.T. friend of mine to get me back on again. If this is the only post I make, so be it, because it will just prove my point: Mumsnet has a problem with ‘cancel culture’.

I started a thread a few days ago related to my job in education, it was about a newspaper report discussing the decolonisation of schools, the involvement of the teaching Unions and stuff like: unconscious bias, systemic racism and micro-aggressions. I made my views known: that the Unions shouldn’t be getting into this, they should be supporting their members – like the guy in Batley, for example and that unconscious bias training is a con to get money out of schools, which could be spent on something substantive, instead. I did so in a polite and measured way, but pretty soon it was time to pile onto me.

I did receive some support from a few mumsnetters, but two in particular began a vicious campaign against me. I was patronised & sent a crappy ‘reading list’ to begin my ‘journey’ towards enlightenment. I was told I needed to sign up for anti-racism training ‘sharpish’ and then, when I stood my ground, things got serious. I was told that my username had been googled and a teacher with that name came up, so, assuming that was me, I was ‘advised’ to change my name and delete the thread. I explained I was not that person from the google search and I would not remove the thread, just because they didn’t agree with it. I was then told that I was being reported because by using that teacher’s name I was: “knowingly damaging someone else’s reputation”. Not true, because I didn’t even know of this other person, until they informed me about them! I was again instructed by the ‘bully’ to delete the thread, which I still refused to do.

But as I expected, MNHQ did and a few hours later my account was erased.

Ironically, on the day that all this happened (Monday) there was another busy thread about the Number 10 Covid-19 briefing which got ‘pulled’, because someone used the term: ‘…call a garden implement a bloody shovel’ (I paraphrase to avoid offence!) and a big debate started about that and whether it was a racial slur or not! The world, especially online, is going slightly fucking mad!

Now, here is my dilemma: I reckon I have a small window of opportunity today, so AIBU to contact the two people who bullied me this week – to the point of cancellation, and tell them exactly what I think? Or do I just leave it and accept this is the world we are living in right now and there are certain things that if your views differ slightly from the herd, you become a target for cancellation and on Mumsnet, the herd always wins?

FlibbertyGiblets · 10/07/2021 14:47

@MickeyMouse2021 hi there sorry for atting you.
I would recommend you start a new thread as your post on this revived one will likely be missed.
I hope you're okay, having a flaming, mumsnet style, isn't nice. (Had more than one light toasting myself over the years)

MickeyMouse2021 · 10/07/2021 15:18

@FlibbertyGiblets: Thank you. I'm ok, but I was fizzing about it in the week and I still am, a bit.

I sometimes think it is a generational thing - I know from other MN threads, the women who piled on me are like 20 years my junior - hence the annoyance at being patronised by them! These days certain topics are basically not to be discussed & if you do try to debate them, but say slightly the wrong thing, people come at you en masse. Its very strange and I hope its short-term & doesn't last forever.

I haven't watched this new GB News channel much, I have been following football recently! But the fact it even exists is a good thing, because it might provide some push-back against this whole 'cancel-culture' phenomenon that seems to have infected society these last few years.

I did think about setting up a brand new thread on this, but I reckon that would just draw too much attention to myself and I would end up a deleted 'PBP' in no time at all (I actually think it should be PCP not PBP - 'Previously CANCELLED Poster', not previously banned.....!)

Anyway, hopefully this way, I can get some feedback and still maintain my MN membership, for a little while at least....

3Britnee · 10/07/2021 15:36

@Megatron

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53330105

Forgetting anyone's opinions on JKR, (I know they are pretty mixed on here) as she is only one of many, many public figures who have signed this, what are your feelings on 'cancel' culture?

I recently came off Twitter because I'm sick to death with many innocuous posts being dissected, taken out of context, unpicked and twisted etc resulting in baying mobs declaring that that particular person is now cancelled.

No debate, no discussion, just cancelled.

Active discussion seems to be almost discouraged sometimes and hoards of people seem to have one giant toddler tantrum and declare that someone is finished, done, cancelled.

Surely, that isn't a good thing?

It isn't.
feellikeanalien · 10/07/2021 15:37

Things are pretty grim at the moment when it comes to cancel culture. I remember at uni in the 80s having friends with all different types of political and other beliefs. We might have had some heated debates at the time but in the end we were still friends and accepted that we had differing views.

I think there is definitely a lack of critical thinking these days and people are becoming scared to express their views. I find myself deleting posts before posting sometimes because I wonder if the view will be considered controversial and result in a pile on. Obviously some views are abhorrent but to try and damage someone and destroy their life because they say something you don't like is frankly rather scary.

Cabinfever10 · 10/07/2021 16:00

I think the best response to cancel culture I've seen came from the Spectator to the co-op after the co-op responded to a tra who was complaining that the co-op was advertising in the "transphobic newspaper " that the co-op wouldn't advertise with them. The Spectators response was to issue a statement barring the co-op from advertising as they will not have anyone dictate what issues can and cannot be reported on other than the editor. Cue much back peddling from the co-op and the Spectator had a large increase in their subscribers.
It was a glorious thing to see and I wish more companies would take the same stance as the Spectator

mintybobs · 10/07/2021 16:02

I think its BS.
If you go back far enough, I am quite sure the cancellers have said things in their past that have offended someone else. The difference is, it wasnt recorded on twitter or facebook etc.

Every single person has said a mean thing at some point or another and if you point fingers at others whilst portraying yourself as a paragon or virtue then you are a giant vile hypocrite with zero self reflection skills

Andante57 · 10/07/2021 17:43

I think for some, they really enjoy having power on line that they don't have in real life

I think there’s a lot of truth in that.

thegcatsmother · 10/07/2021 17:59

I could be cancelled and I wouldn't know about it, as other than MN (which is increasingly not a pleasure) and a similar site, I don't do social media; so am not on Twitter, FB etc.

If I don't know, I don't care, and the power from those in a froth has vanished.

MickeyMouse2021 · 10/07/2021 18:09

@Andante57

I think for some, they really enjoy having power on line that they don't have in real life

I think there’s a lot of truth in that.

I couldn’t have put it better myself.

I hope @AttaGirrrrl and @MissPrimaryCrafts reflect on that, when they read the recent stuff posted on this thread…

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 18:13

There is a line somewhere but it's difficult to define.

In general I think that must should be heard. And then others can argue and everyone hears. Remember when BNP man went on question time and it went really badly and you didn't hear from him much after that.

Otherwise it goes underground and certain views fester unchallenged and spread (thanks internet!).

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 10/07/2021 18:27

I must have been living under a stone, I'm not really on Twitter or Facebook but this is absolutely terrifying. I'm reading the thread in absolute dismay.

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 18:46

It's been on the mainstream news a lot. BBC news, newsnight and plenty more.

WaltzingToWalsingham · 10/07/2021 19:02

There was a fascinating discusion about free speech in universities on Moral Maze (r4) a couple of months ago, which included some talk of cancel culture.
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000sh9f

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 10/07/2021 19:29

Well I'm obviously an ignoramus then, NiceGerbil.

Thanks for that link, WaltzingtoWalsingham, I've saved it to listen to later.

NiceGerbil · 10/07/2021 19:40

How did you get that from my post!

Sorry if you took it that way. What I meant was, if you Google cancel culture BBC for example, you will get loads of things to read/ watch.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 10/07/2021 19:45

My emoticon got missed off. I am a dunce when it comes to current affairs other than the really mainstream issues, NiceGerbil, your post was fine.

I really do need to pay attention to this particular issue. I'm down with transgender and environment but this cancel culture seems to have passed me by and that won't do.

:)

TSSDNCOP · 10/07/2021 19:48

I was cancelled recently in. Facebook thread I posted on. I've resisted posting on this damn thread for years, but irritation at the wokery got the better of me.

I was told I was wrong. I proved I wasn't, some twat even spitefully brought up another unrelated issue. Then I was cancelled.

I don't care even though I'm telling you about it I was right and I bask in my rightness.

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