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The ADs seek joy and aubergines

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BogRollBOGOF · 20/06/2020 11:28

We got a bit cut off there didn't we? Thread 15 now.

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Bollss · 22/06/2020 09:02

I used to like Dr hilary. He's just said on Lorraine that there's been a spike in Germany. No, Hillary love there hasn't Angry it is no wonder people are scared is it! Knob.

Nihiloxica · 22/06/2020 09:03

I need guaranteed open bars and restaurants and toilets and things to do.

That is not available in the British Isles this year, because the Dementors have won.

BogRollBOGOF · 22/06/2020 09:05

@Teateaandmoretea

Planes may not be tubes of death but corona is more likely to be caught in one than in a car. I also think that all this ‘the UK’s worse than everywhere else’ isn’t helpful for optimistic thought. We are testing a lot and literally searching for deaths to attribute to it. A lot of covid originally came from ski resorts, where it was clearly covered up. It’s very trusting to assume that other countries counting is accurate.

Personally I wouldn’t go abroad this year, there is the risk of someone getting a temperature or cough and then the stress of not being allowed to travel back/ having to isolate in a hotel room/ navigate testing systems abroad. I’d rather just be able to get in the car and go straight home.

^^ This.

We have no plans at present and hadn't made any for the summer, however we probably would have taken the tent down to Cornwall, but all this kicked off before booking. We are flexible and will probably do something as the conditions change.

We had the notion of going to the Canaries at Easter but were tardy in making arrangements. We had been keeping an eye on Wuhan all along, and the early outbreak in Tenerife beat us to it... so we booked a cottage in Wales instead Grin We have our money back as they made an early decision to shield.

If I have made myself a reputation as a rabid, disease vector Anti-Dementor, murdering teachers with my desire to have my children educated as real-normal, and panting on runs, sitting on benches, gate crashing playgrounds and cocking minor snooks at the roolz, it would be ironic.
The reality is we were cautious early on. We made good use of Costco in Feb/ early March and had no need to panic buy by the time reality dawned on the masses. We were going to go to London for a few days at Feb half term, but went to Manchester instead as the London Underground seemed like a potentially high risk place with poor ventilation, crowds and high national and international mobility. If the virus was going to enter the country undetected, London was statistically the highest risk. News on Italy broke a few days later. DH did have an event down there late Feb, but avoided public transport and walked a few miles instead. DH started working from home about 10 days early and the office was emptied several days before lockdown.

We were aware of the potential early on and took some measured adaptions to reduce potential exposure. Just not the more paranoid wiping down your shopping, playing chicken with the traffic to keep a rigourous 2m away type approach. Risks change. I was much higher risk going into town (an early top 5 hotspot) on 16th March to prematurely buy birthday birthday presents ahead of any potential lockdown.

It's the potential to be quarentined in a hotel room that puts me off. Plus reliability of travel arrangements as a family (as a couple we were more flexible). Also we're not spend a holiday in a resort on a beach/ bar/ restaurant types. We want to get out exploring and be flexible and I'm not convinced that we'll get a holiday we want out of it. I don't think the closed environments of planes are a great place to be. We are unlikely to visit MiL/ ILs this year as MiL is elderly at the niggling ailments stage and the small risk of unknowingly picking it up while travelling and passing it on isn't worthwhile.

But it's good that the option is there for people who are comfortable with the arrangements on offer. Tourism is such an essential part of the economy.

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ExpletiveDelighted · 22/06/2020 09:07

We won't be going abroad this year either, we don't every year and hadn't planned or booked anything this year before lockdown. We have now booked a holiday cottage that we have stayed at before, we know the area well, know we will be fine there even if a lot of places are still shut. We agreed that DS should get the final say this year as it's his gcse year and I think by the time we go away he could be getting quite anxious about the results and he wanted a no stress holiday.

ExpletiveDelighted · 22/06/2020 09:12

Also the prospect of getting locked down abroad and not getting back in time for GCSE results is unthinkable. We have been on cruises before and watched with horror as the news about the people being trapped on them for weeks unfolded. DS is autistic and wouldn't cope at all. I don't think we're being dementory over this as we aren't criticising people who make different choices to us.

Orangeblossom78 · 22/06/2020 09:16

We had an adder in our tent on a camping trip with school as a child

Nihiloxica · 22/06/2020 09:19

We also like exploring on our holidays.

So a summer with no camping, closed toilets and counties telling people to fuck off is extremely unattractive.

I want to holiday in a place where we are welcome. And that is nowhere on either island.

I think UK holidays have been ruined for me forever by knowing I live in a country that would lock me up at the drop of a hat and is still denying my children their right to an education.

TBH we probably need to leave permanently. I can't unknow lockdown enthusiasm and the new normal my fellow residents are so keen to subject me to.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 22/06/2020 09:26

Morning all.

Drivingdownthe101 · 22/06/2020 09:27

TBH we probably need to leave permanently. I can't unknow lockdown enthusiasm and the new normal my fellow residents are so keen to subject me to

This is something DH and I have been discussing too. We’ve lived in a few different countries and never really intended on settling back in the U.K. permanently but when the DC are in school etc it seems a bit more difficult to take the plunge. This may turn out to be the push we need.
Where to go though? Spain is our natural second home, but they think nothing of locking their kids up for months on end. We both speak Spanish, french and Italian, but of course none of those countries have covered themselves in glory.

BogRollBOGOF · 22/06/2020 09:31

@rookiemere

Seagoing It's the DCs that have been kept inside out of harms way that I feel most sorry for. At the moment DS 14 in our house is the most dementory about getting on a plane, but he'll doubtless get over himself when he sees the villa.

But as for the truly cautious where is safe ? I think the only truly safe option is wild camping in your own tent with wild food foraged and hunted yourself. Barbeque squirrel anyone ?

So instead another joyful couple of months of sitting at home, as surely attractions such as zoos and mini golf would also be heaving germ spots.

Where children have been kept in for months without a specific high risk concern, it's neglect of their physical and social wellbeing.

Imagine an AIBU in 2019...
AIBU to keep my child in the house/ garden for at least three months to stop them from catching flu (measles, norovirus etc. etc.) I'll keep them studying at home, but it's too dangerous to mix with other children or go out to shops or play areas. It's worth it to stop them from falling ill or worse developing a post-viral illness. Flu/ measles is a killer and I need to keep my family safe!

I suspect it would be a unanimous YABU and lots of cries of neglect, and report to social services and rightly so.

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Bollss · 22/06/2020 09:32

I really really want to leave too. I don't think it's really possible for us, though Sad

Nihiloxica · 22/06/2020 09:33

France has reopened all their schools with no distancing.

Italy has summer clubs open now, seems to be mostly back to normal.

Spain I might avoid after their abusive lockdown. But at least they are opened up again now.

TBH Germany, Sweden, or Norway seem the best options in terms of not being locked up again because of another new not very bad virus.

BogRollBOGOF · 22/06/2020 09:35

@Orangeblossom78

We had an adder in our tent on a camping trip with school as a child
I bet that added something to the experience Wink
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IAintentDead · 22/06/2020 09:36

I'm hoping to go to Turkey in September. I go on my own and it's a place I know well. I need new glasses and my optician is over there. I get glasses for £150 that would cost over £500 here so that covers a lot of the cost. There is also a great medical doctor there who is married to an English woman and, not that I hope to need one, it's much easier to get an appointment there than here.

This weekend on my own was not unusual and in normal time doesn't worry me. Thing are just so different at the moment.

DrearyWallAntler · 22/06/2020 09:37

@rookiemere

I can believe it. It is genuinely quite tasty in a stew. Quite a lot like the really dark meat on a chicken with a slightly nutty/earthy undertone.

BarkandCheese · 22/06/2020 09:38

I’ve resigned myself to no foreign holiday this summer. We do have a trip booked in December to visit the Christmas markets in Vienna, who knows how things will be by then, they could e back to normal or the cold weather could have caused the dreaded second wave. No point in worrying about it now though.

We had a lovely holiday last year, went to France with my sister, her husband and their girls. We stayed in static caravans next to each other in a holiday village place and the kids were in heaven as we just gave them freedom to go off and play together. Days out exploring the area or sitting on the beach, evenings with drinks and board games while the girls amused themselves.

MagdaS · 22/06/2020 09:38

We have now booked a week in a holiday cottage in August. I had to kick off because it slightly overlaps DH and DCs’ annual 2 weeks away with the ILs, which isn’t looking likely to happen as where they’re going currently has no ferries in or out. But the alternative was no holiday for me at all - they can slightly shorten the 2 week break with the ILs and still go, if they’re able.

I feel bloody awful this morning, depressed as hell. I’ve no motivation to work and just want to cry but can’t.

Drivingdownthe101 · 22/06/2020 09:39

I do quite fancy the idea of Scandinavia.
Spain or France would make most sense for us.

MaudesMum · 22/06/2020 09:41

I can see the reason for masks in places where you're rammed in very close (like the tube) and I can also see that anxious people find them reassuring in places like crowded supermarkets, so I can see why wearing them is courteous and kind. BUT I'm lucky enough not to have to commute, and have always avoided supermarkets at busy times, so up to now I've not felt the need to wear a mask. I'm now going to make one in case the rules change and things that I really need to do (like having a haircut) require wearing one. Mostly, I suspect, I'll just avoid things that require me to wear one...

Orangeblossom78 · 22/06/2020 09:46

I remember the teacher got the adder out with a stick

It was the end of primary trip (or D of E not sure)

Not sure if other countries would be more welcoming though? Lady in Portugal in the Times yesterday said they were not very there, even her husband's family were wary of meeting up...

Orangeblossom78 · 22/06/2020 09:47

Sweden perhaps Wink

Nihiloxica · 22/06/2020 09:48

Ugh, preserve me from the Kindness Coercion.

I won't be wearing a mask because I don't want to live in a society where face covering is the default.

I don't see why it's kind to make life difficult for the hard of hearing so we can perform SAFETY for the irrationally anxious.

Mask wearing us becoming a symbol of what social tribe you belong to. It's not about reducing any actual risk.

HesterShaw1 · 22/06/2020 09:50

I really want a squirrel stew now Confused

Summer holidays here don't happen any more, apart from one week I had in Scotland last June after my marriage went tits up. It's peak season with work and I'm usually making my money for the rest of the year! That's why this moving of the goalposts re the August SE grant has worried me so much - you have to prove your business has been adversely affected after 14th July. Thats not how it was originally put to us. Sod the whole of June and first half of July. There's going to be so much hardship because of this, especially because they still can't decide whether we're allowed to be open or not.

Anyway...will start the week more positive. Will go to the pit of infectious diseases garden centre and get some stuff for hanging baskets. Then to the post office. Then will make a cake. Sounds like the kind of day a 75 year old would have 😁

Orangeblossom78 · 22/06/2020 09:51

I'm not into marks either, I will just avoid anything mask related as much as possible and have a thin scarf if no other option but to get a train

It seems, for now, very much in the minority to wear one here at the moment, unless BAME or elderly who I have seen in them occasionally.

Orangeblossom78 · 22/06/2020 09:53

On the grief being discussed earlier, that reminded me of something

5 Stages of grief www.healthline.com/health/stages-of-grief#order

Might be useful, I find it a bit helpful

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