Talk of pubs reopening on 22 June but not school for all years?

[mrsTC]

I am not happy seeing headlines about reopening pubs on 22 June when the priority should surely be how to get all our children back to school? Our children are missing out on education. Working parents (with the burden mainly falling on mothers in my experience) are attempting to teach and do their jobs at the same time. It is not good for parents and children's mental health and cannot continue indefinitely. I appreciate the hospitality industry and many other areas of the economy are under extreme stress, but getting children back to school has to be a priority.

It makes sense; there’s little point children going to school if there isn’t an economy for them to join when they finish it.

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I get that they aren’t comparable, tysm, but the real emphasis at present is on the economy, and I feel that the education of our children has been pushed so far to the back of the ‘must think about’ queue it can hardly be seen. That’s what I meant about ‘priorities’. All these shops and businesses opening back up is great for the economy and for jobs, but if the government could even give us a rough indication of their plans for education over the next three -six months I’d be more grateful than I am knowing about plans for bloody beer gardens.

I still don't think they aren't the same.

Saying that pubs and shops can re-open if they can meet the guidelines doesn't need any further government involvement. The onus is then on the owners of those businesses to work out what to do.

Schools, in the main, can't go off and make their own decisions, it needs a pretty much nationwide approach to try and ensure that all children have equal opportunities, all teachers are treated the same etc.

I agree with the op. I know that schools and pub gardens are not the same thing. However reopening both schools and pub gardens could potentially have an impact on the 'r' rate. The important thing is to keep it below one. They should prioritise reopening schools first, then if the R number is still comfortably below one then they can think about luxuries like pub gardens.

They should also reopen playgrounds before pub gardens. The two are more comparable imo and playgrounds are important for children's mental and physical health.

I disagree about playgrounds if I had to choose.

Prioritise schools and jobs first.

They should also reopen playgrounds before pub gardens. The two are more comparable imo and playgrounds are important for children's mental and physical health.

Kittywampus Nope. The economy is far more important than some kids play area. Parents can make play stimulation for their own children; they aren’t even close to being a priority.

I disagree about playgrounds if I had to choose.

Prioritise schools and jobs first.

Yeah stuff the toddlers they can’t speak anyway

Outdoor drinking at tables and app ordering with social distancing is completely different to whole groups of children in classrooms.

Yeah stuff the toddlers they can’t speak anyway

Idiotic post . Mine can away. Out of all the ages I have my toddler is happiest. School age feeling more out of it as it lags on. Jobs required to pay for everything. So yeh playgrounds third.

No it isn’t idiotic. The people who have the biggest voice here are adults. That is why pun gardens are opening first. Playgrounds being shit is ridiculous completely.

Things are not opening on what’s most popular or what’s most important. It is what can be opened with as little effect on r as possible. Outside pub garden is same risk as takeaway food and sitting in the park so low risk. Hundreds of children crammed into an indoor space is a much higher risk.

Pub shut

Not tbf that is idiotic

Bollocks. As I said we need to keep the jobs so mass redundancy doesn’t hit hard. Schools closed causing huge issues. I can keep toddler dd happy no problem.

Things are not opening on what’s most popular or what’s most important. It is what can be opened with as little effect on r as possible.

Sorry but that is very very naive.

Can't take the kids to school.
Can't take the kids down to the playground.
Can take the kids to the beer garden.

Logical.

With the current prevelence of Covid 19 in the community (as of 2 weeks ago 3.5 cases per 100,000 and falling), I'd be more than happy for them to be back in a classroom with 29 classmates. But great, they can watch me drown our sorrows instead

Yes, I'd like them to get a month of age appropriate education between March to Sept. They are too educationally immature to cope with working without peers. The end of this week marks a second consecutive summer holiday off school... then there's another 5 weeks before the real 6 weeks comes.

I'm not begrudging pubs, just that the educational costs and risk assessment is for the majority of communities is grossly disproportionate to the risk of the virus at this point in time. Let all parents and children have a choice to be able to access schools.

Good for you Marsha. But I think playgrounds should be open before pubs. I don’t even have a toddler

When we start seeing businesses food after furlough ends it will really be something to worry about. So it’s obviously more important they can start trading.

I couldn’t disagree with you more Tea. We have to get things moving pdq if we are going to have a chance of cranking the economy back up. We are suspended in this stage by furlough which ends soon.

Playgrounds being shit is ridiculous completely.

Teateaandmoretea Of course it isn’t. Children cannot social distance, and if playgrounds were open parents would be congregating and social distancing between them would wane pretty fast. It would encourage large groups.

Children don’t need playgrounds if their parents are proactive in parenting them.

No it isn’t more important. Children are being chucked under a bus here and there will be long term consequences on health and education that are bigger than the profit of a few pints on a sunny day. It is total short termism driven by adults being selfish.

Tbh I suspect playgrounds would have no effect anyway.

I couldn’t care less about a pint but I do care about mass unemployment.

I also care about education for children, so schools other priority.

Children don’t need playgrounds if their parents are proactive in parenting them.

Ah here we go again. Utter nonsense. Children need to play, never in the history of man has it been banned.

There are 1,300 children in the school I work out that would need to spread across 3 x the usual number of classrooms with 2 x more staff than we actually have.

My sister is re-opening her pub that even on NYE can't contain 100 people without a squeeze by painting 10 picnic tables for he garden.

It just isn't the same is it?

@MarshaBradyo playgrounds help develop very young children in a lower risk way than putting them all in a room together.

Teateaandmoretea You are aware playgrounds provide absolutely nothing for the economy, right? And that it’s the economy and jobs that are fucked right now and need saving?

Children’s health is not going to be affected by playgrounds being shut. The economy and jobs will suffer by the hospitality industry remaining shut.

Tea as I said I disagree with your order. I’ll take a chance of avoiding mass redundancy over a swing and slide. There’s still loads of play, parks are open.