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Experiences of racism

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nikkijr1990 · 05/06/2020 14:09

I've been following the BLM movement over the the last week or so. I live in a predominately white area (am white myself) . I obviously am aware of racism in the form of name calling etc but I really want to educate myself in some of the more underhand/ systematic forms of racism people experience that may go unnoticed to someone who hasn't had their eyes opened to it and just gain more understanding on the subject. Any experiences welcome Smile

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JesusInTheCabbageVan · 05/06/2020 18:01

One example of racism in plain sight is an infamous Express headline in 2010: "One in five Britons will be ethnics". Won't link to that article because the Express is a vile, spiteful rag that I'd shudder to wipe my arse with, but here's proof that they really did say that.

SimonJT · 05/06/2020 18:05

Racism is very very different in the US compared to the UK, it isn’t as subtle in the US. TV shows still proudly portray very innapropriate racist stereotypes, just think about Raj in big bang theory, he isn’t Raj who happens to be Asian, he’s Raj who has a funny accent, is iffeminate, can’t talk to women and controlled by his parents.

I’m Asian and male, I’m also usually bearded (rocking a 70’s pornstar moustache at the moment). It’s the more subtle things that are more frustrating (i imagine it is often similar with sexism).

I have a ‘white’ name and a British accent, so unless you see me you don’t know what race I am, I’m also fairly pale for my race and don’t have features people would consider typical to my race. So when I haven’t got a tan I ‘pass’ as caucasian and often get asked if I’m Italian/Spanish.

Obviously I’m not white but I get to sometimes see both sides of the coin, which if anything is more frustrating.

I have a fairly good job and I often lead conferences alongside other companies about boring things like industry standards. I have had people turn up and genuinely say “I wasn’t expecting one of you”. Thinking that is bad enough, but at least have the decency not to say it to my face.

If I still had an Asian name (I changed it in my mid twenties) I would be half as likely to secure a job interview compared to the same CV with a typically ‘white’ named applicant.

Its things like going out as well, my boyfriend is white, as are most of my friends. You can almost guarantee if we go our for food when our food/drink order is taken I’m almost always asked last (unless the waitstaff is BAME), the only exception is when our West African friend is there, then he gets last place. Incidentally he was on sunday brunch once and called a thug by another guest for eating a breakfast pastry in the same way that other white guests ate theirs.

I worked with a lady once who would make racist and xenophobic comments, she actively disliked Jewish people. When she returned from maternity leave she told me I needed to be careful because I was so tanned I looked like a Paki. Normally I let things slide at work as I have learned if you say anything you’re accused of ‘playing the race card’ but I simply replied with “I am a Paki”, she never ever spoke to me again and refused to even email me.

My son is only four (five this month), but he has already experienced racism and he has made comments about his colour getting him in trouble. But the worst thing about is that no child is racist, a parent has to actively teach a child to be racist. The words those children have used aren’t not words a child might use to describe skin colour, you expect a child to say brown, dark, maybe even things like dirty skin or poo skin because they’re children. But children need to be actively taught racist terms.

My partners parents are a bit racist, when I met them they implied it’s a good job we’re gay as they don’t want a half and half grandchild. But they also had another child when my partner was 20 so they could have a ‘normal’ one, so it shouldn’t have been a shock.

Its little things as well, someone will describe someone and refer to their skin colour, but they never do that with white people.

Its contant othering.

user1471565182 · 05/06/2020 18:12

Working in warehouses ive seen some crazy levels of racism, up to swastikas been drawn all over with slogans, including the n word, nazi salutes, EDL shite been brought in, comments to asian drivers who seemed to feel like they had to laugh along with it. The core of those who had been there a long time were ok though, would give the new in racists enough slack and then get them kicked off site.
I remember one petty little prick whining to management because an asian driver was wearing trainers (fine in the area he was) then getting let go the next day.

Ormally · 05/06/2020 18:19

There is a supposedly 'feelgood' story that is showing on my home screen at the moment. A small girl who was black and whose photo is also connected with the story asked a policeman if he was going to shoot them. He gave her a hug, and that's well and good, but it's left me reeling because my thoughts are more: "My DD has never had to form that question or give the scenario space in her head." (She's white.) Also the little girl looks both afraid and so sad. It's unspeakable.

FrancoBegbie · 05/06/2020 18:29

Ex-DP was black (I’m white) and that relationship really opened my eyes to how backwards and racist some people can be. He was a successful man who owned his own building company and had a nice car, house etc. One of my former ‘acquaintances’ asked if he was actually a drug dealer because ‘black men with money are usually criminals.’ I also heard many ‘jokes’ about black men having big willies, and a work colleague actually said to me: “you’re a dark horse, didn’t think you’d be into that” Shock

When we broke up, I was in my local pub and a bloke I went to school with came over and started chatting to me. He said he had always fancied me but couldn’t date me as he knew my ex was black and that ‘put him off’ me. I can’t actually write down what he called me as it was an extremely offensive term to describe white women who date black men but needless to say he ended up with my drink thrown over him. Considering we grew up in a multicultural area of east London I was absolutely disgusted at how racist he was. Still makes me angry when I think about it.

Annamaria14 · 05/06/2020 18:35

Yes racism is everywhere. We need to challenge it. Is anyone else "doing the work"?

I have been watching so many documentaries about racism this week.

And I have also been challenging myself to see where can I do better. "Why dont I havr any black friends" - is one thing I have been asking myself

Quaversplease · 05/06/2020 18:40

I'm Jewish. I had a manager who would make snide remarks such as "oh I'm surprised a nice Jewish girl would say that" or "oh quavers is Jewish she wouldn't understand" when talking about something quite normal. It bothered me but seemed so minor in the scheme of things I didn't do anything about it. But it was every day, a drip, drip, drip. A colleague without my knowledge went to our manager's line manager and reported it. I was called into a meeting and asked about it and manager was moved to another dept with a written warning.

user1471565182 · 05/06/2020 18:46

FFS being welsh is hardly the same as having fucking nooses left on your front gate. Give me strength

Bargainhuntbore · 05/06/2020 18:53

Here USER:

Experiences of racism
ikeairgin · 05/06/2020 18:55

I grew up in the middle east and my father is the most racist man you could ever meet. I'm very low contact with him now. He says all the usual things, claiming our benefits, that we paid for etc. Thing is, he worked overseas for 35 years and paid no tax himself, so in my eyes he's not entitled to a pension either

I'm white but we have moved to a very mixed area of Birmingham - I feel more at home here than anywhere I've lived since childhood, and yet we get pitying looks whenever we say where we moved from/to. Thing is our neighbours here are lovely - we know them better after a year than the 20 odd where we used to live - we have a lovely pub on the doorstep (when it's open) we have access to the city centre and we have lots of decent places to eat.

I'm listening and learning - I belong to a mutual aid group - the only people stopped and questioned when out and about on errands were non- whites, yet the volunteers ratio is about 6 white for every non-white out and about. That's a current statistic. I'm guilty of not really taking in the actual bias in stop-and-search for BAME people.

user1471565182 · 05/06/2020 18:58

why are you showing me that?

Lepetitpiggy · 05/06/2020 19:06

When we moved into our house, 20 years ago, our new neighbours said 'Oh we're so glad you moved in - a black family looked round and we'd have had to move if they'd bought it. We're not racist or anything but they have so many children don't they?'

I honestly did not know what to say. I'd certainly not stay quiet now. They moved about 10 years ago thank god, because they thought the area was getting 'too rough' (it wasn't...)

OutComeTheWolves · 05/06/2020 19:06

I used to work in a call centre in the UK (so not outsourced or anything). The woman next to me had a slight accent - she wasn't born in the U.K. but had lived here since she was 5. She spoke perfectly fluent English in an accent which was no trickier to understand than say a Liverpudlian or a geordie accent. Honestly the shit she used to get over the phone because of it was unreal. I'm talking a few arseholes a day. there was the blatant 'it's a fucking p**i on the phone' to the more subtle 'can I speak to someone who speaks English please?'. She dealt with a few of these people every single day. It really opened my eyes to how many absolute cunts are still in this country.

When I was younger I was on public transport with a lovely friend who had the cheek to laugh slightly loudly. A group of lads turned round and just started with the most racists hit I'd heard up until that point in my life. I went to say something back to them and she literally begged me not to. Saying it would make matters worse. I sat back down and shut up. She's still a great friend and has been with me through some really tough times but I always know I let her down that day. I should've said something because she couldn't.

I used to work for someone who wouldn't employ people with certain names or from certain areas.

I know someone who was stopped from getting on a bus after 9/11 because he was asian with a backpack ie a terrorist.

A friend's uncle wears a turban and is a taxi driver; he's mocked for it under the guise of banter most nights.

I was working in a shop years ago and a kid about 8 years old cut in the queue I think by accident. A grown man in his 30s used that to spew the most racist bile at the kid who ended up in tears.

mbosnz · 05/06/2020 19:09

My heart breaks and rages in equal measures reading these. How can people feel entitled to treat other people like this?

Bargainhuntbore · 05/06/2020 19:09

To enlighten you.

follygirl · 05/06/2020 19:11

I'm white but not English although as I have an English accent people assume I am.

I'm not stoking the whole Brexit thing but I've had a lot of comments about getting rid of European scroungers aired in front of me assuming I'm British. When I tell them I'm Dutch, they normally apologise and say that I'm 'alright' it's the 'others' they were referencing.

In terms of racism towards black people. I was totally appalled when a former friend told me that her (white) son found it difficult to differentiate between the numerous black children in his class. Because, apparently 'they all look the same'. I have to say I didn't know what to say at first. I asked her if she was joking (no she wasn't) and then I called her out on it. I told her she was being disgusting and left the room. I refuse to speak to her now as she's ignorant and I refuse to associate with stupid.

mbosnz · 05/06/2020 19:13

No, I'm not saying I don't want to hear it, I do! I just hate that it happens. That people feel entirely justified to treat people like this, and that they honestly don't think (and there usually isn't) any kind of blowback for their bigotry.

osnapitzchloe · 05/06/2020 19:15

Not me that has received it but my little sister (7) has, she's mixed race. When my mum was walking her to nursery a grown man looked my sister up and down and said "fucking n*a. She was 3 years old at the time. Sad

TheoriginalLEM · 05/06/2020 19:16

I am white. My mum is white but she has a rare medical condition that means she has very dark skin. She has been threatened with a knife whilst on holiday in Spain (1970s ) we live in a naice middle class area we have experienced direct verbal abuse from gangs of kids, single adults and snide comments about "her kind" you really can't argue with stupid.

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Bargainhuntbore · 05/06/2020 19:25

Please post the link to the “mass bullying of English children in Welsh schools”. Interesting to read.

Annamaria14 · 05/06/2020 19:25

@user147. What about being Irish?

Many People here in Ireland talk about the segregation, harrassment and abuse that they received when they lived in England - for being Irish.

It was very, very extreme

RedskyAtnight · 05/06/2020 19:26

Mixed race (look Asian).

Being called Paki, being told I never washed my face or that it was a funny coffee colour. Told that I smelt of curry and that my family must live all in one room. Being spoken to very slowly or in very basic English. Assumption that I must know any other person in the area that was also Asian (in one case I was asked how my father was as the person assumed the only other Asian in the room must be related to me).

Being asked what language I speak at home and how long I plan to stay in the country. When out with a group of friends, the friends being asked if they are with me in a tone of disbelief.

Always being worried when joining a new social group as to whether people will talk to me (plenty actively walk away). When meeting people who've only spoken to me on the phone before hearing them say "Oh, I didn't think you'd be ..." .

People assuming that i must be the nanny as my children have a different skin colour.

Being everlastingly grateful that my children look white (that's an example of me being racist by the way, and one I hate myself for every day.).

I've not included any of the "big" instances of racism I've suffered in this list - not because there aren't any, but actually because it's the many small insidious things that are as much the problem. People who loudly shout racist abuse are easily dismissed. Not so much those who think they are being polite or interested and don't understand why I find their words or actions upsetting when they clearly never meant to cause offense.

Biancadelrioisback · 05/06/2020 19:27

I used to work on cruise ships. I am white British and was frequently approached by guests who said "oh thank god, a normal one" or something like that. Everything in the ship was sold in dollars too but people would ask me "how much is this is real money?"

Annamaria14 · 05/06/2020 19:30

Racism is a huge , huge problem in England. How are we going to change?

Have any of you guys started "doing the work". Many white people are using this time to work on our own thoughts and beliefs.

Reading "me and white supremacy" by Layla Saad, for example

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