‘Teachers must run summer schools to help pupils to catch up’

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...said the children’s commissioner. Uhmm no hun. I’m a teacher and have already worked through Easter and half term for free, contrary to popular belief we are not paid for holidays. If I’ll be paid handsomely for overtime I’d consider it but tbh I need a break. Wouldn’t get into the profession if we didn’t care about the kids but they aren’t more important than our own kids, the suggestion is a piss take.

You really don't

5.6 weeks holiday pay. This could be 3x half terms, 2 weeks for Easter, 6 days of the summer. So no, teachers don't get paid for all of the school holidays.
It's sad that the school holidays anger people so much. They are for the children.

I'm sure kids would love summer school - not.

Aren’t there usually 13 weeks of school holidays and teachers get paid for 5.6 weeks of that, so they don’t get paid for the rest of the holidays and their contract states the contracted days/hours they work.

ineedaholidaynow

Nope try again.

Ok try this. Are you a teacher? Have you ever been on strike? How much pay were you deducted for a day’s strike?

You have omitted the next paragraph woollymollymonkey
51.8. The employer must not determine how many of the additional hours referred to in
paragraph 51.7 must be worked or when these hours must be worked.

You are right that the 195 days (1265 hours) are directed time only, and not the only "contracted hours" we are expected to work. But summer schools would be directed time, and therefore would come under the 1265.

UK Supreme Court finds that teachers on strike were deducted too much pay. The Supreme Court has ruled that a Sixth Form College deducted too much pay from teachers who went on strike for one day. Whilst the college could withhold pay, this should have been at the rate of 1/365th of annual salary (not 1/260th).

ellint.net/news/sector/cross-border-hr-policies/uk-teachers-strike/#:~:text=UK%20Supreme%20Court%20finds%20that%20teachers%20on%20strike%20were%20deducted,(not%201%2F260th).

Multiple choice answers. Is it -

A) 1/195 (number of teacher specified working days in a year)
B) 1/260 (number of actual working days in a year)
C) 1/365 (number of days in a year)

Well done for googling it - I didn’t need to. Teachers are paid for 52 weeks.

WoollyMollyMonkey

Given that teachers pay for 195 days is spread over 12 months gives a day rate, this is why the deducted rate is 1/365. Not due to being paid for holidays.

Try again.

@FrippEnos I was agreeing that teachers don’t get paid for school holidays!

Is that the same for a teacher advert or is the salary advertised already based on 195 days?

Teacher salaries aren't advertised as such because they're largely based on years of experience. There's a standardised payscale that (almost) all schools use so you pretty much know what to expect before you apply, and it will vary between applicants.

I never really understand this argument about whether teachers are on twelve month contracts or not tbh. The expectation is that they'll be in work for 195 days of the year for £x remuneration. If they're suddenly told they have to be in for 225 days with no additional pay, that's a change in expectation regardless of whether they're technically paid for the holidays or not. I'm sure most people in salaried jobs would be annoyed if their employer told them that all their annual leave was cancelled, but they wouldn't be paid any extra or be able to re-book it for a later date

More generally, I wish there would be a bit more nuance on both sides of these debates. I know just about everyone is at breaking point at the moment, but parents need to realise that just because their child's teacher isn't setting much (or any) work, doesn't mean teachers up and down the country are sat around getting paid to do fuck all. Equally, teachers need to realise that even if they personally are working their arses off, some parents ARE getting very little support, and for someone who's already trying to hold down a full time job while looking after young children all day, it's not helpful to suggest that they should suck it up and be fully responsible for educating their children as well.

Summer schools are covered in the STPCD:

69. Relevant bodies should decide whether to make payments to teachers who agree to participate in out-of-school hours learning. The level of payment should be covered by the school's pay policy. Payments to classroom teachers should only be made in respect of those activities undertaken outside of either the1265 hours of directed time for full-time teachers or the appropriate proportion of the 1265 hours of directed time for part-time teachers. All agreements and payments to be made should be documented. All such activities should require the exercise of the teacher’s professional skills or judgement.

WoollyMollyMonkey

Nope, teachers are paid for 195 days spread over the year.

To be honest - I don't think it matters - they are paid to do a job - the holidays are longer than most - their pay will reflect this or not - generally I think they should be paid more, it should be a more highly sought after profession, pulling in the best graduates and we should sack the lazy/crap ones - of which there are still too many.

Teachers must he available for work for 195 days at the direction of their employer. They must also work additional hours to carry out their professional responsibilities. These are non directed.

Summer school would mainly be directed. Schools don’t have the budget for paying additional hours, many schools are struggling to pay teachers their normal hours.

FrippEnos they’re really not. If you are a teacher you should go and speak to your finance officer.

Summers schools would be directed time if teachers were directed to run them. Of course. Teachers paid on the leadership scale do not have the same 1265 hour directed time limit.

WoollyMollyMonkey

As I understand my contract better than you do, it would be pointless.

I don’t see anything wrong with teachers being asked to volunteer to do this.

My year 5 dd hasn’t had any kind of teaching or contact with a teacher since lockdown began, so I really don’t think her teacher is overworked and desperate for a break at this point.

And if they don't volunteer?

How ridiculous! It will never happen