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AuntieSocia1 · 27/05/2020 21:49

Shiny new thread for anyone shielding.

You can vent/moan/cry/chat/lurk whatever you need.

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Goldistheanswer · 10/06/2020 11:58

I have two DCs who received shielding letters so the whole household have been staying home as much as possible. But now DH wants to return to his actual work place rather than just WFH and I’m concerned. I think he’s getting fed up at home but I can see the bigger picture. My two DCs need to be at minimal risk of catching Covid and I am scared for them and also me as an older person who is severely obese (please don’t judge, comfort ate through their childhoods due to stress of ill DCs). Their shielding letters advise doing so until end of June. When do we think we’ll hear an update?

OceanPotion · 10/06/2020 12:26

They said the next update for England would be June 15th I think.

Redcherries · 10/06/2020 13:18

@Goldistheanswer no one here will judge you! I’ve drank wine every evening since this started, it is what it is and we’re getting through as we can. Yes, healthy choices are better but this is not exactly a normal time. I’m sure we’re all finding different things we could beat ourselves up over, we’re not going to do it to each other.

It’s a decision only you can make as a couple, but to maybe reassure you a little, my husband and son have both worked out of the home throughout, they change, shower etc as soon as they get home. It’s nerve wracking at first but that feeling settles. They carry hand gel, wash their hands and maintain distance when out.

We’re being reviewed week commencing the 15th, so any updates could be on any day of that week as far as I understand it.

MarieVanGoethem · 10/06/2020 13:44

Sorry I vanished again my wee cabbages (seriously, while I’m all for a healthy diet, how is it the French ended up with that as a term of endearment?!). Am torn between liking that there are so many of us on here now & being a wee bit sad that lots people are having a rough time of it. Did just wonder, briefly, what an online space with/for all 2.5 million(ish) of us would be like. Is it bad I’d want a Letters Or GTFO situation because of behaviour of Some People (not on here!) who’ve decided to self shield after blatant disappointment not to be on the list & General Dramatics about assorted things? (Obviously to include people shielding as families: GP surgeries can confirm extra people entitled to accounts on site/number accounts that can be linked to one NHS number. And in my imagination they’ve sorted out who’s actually shielding, yes. Please refrain from crushing my wee dream...) There will also be a strict moderation policy & a ban-hammer like Mjölnir for anyone who starts bleating about it being a choice/for our own good/how we should euthanise ourselves For The [Healthy] Children wonder when The Indoctrination Questions will be hitting textbooks/school resources Hmm

I’ve still had no call from Super Important Vascular Surgeon. Think I’d probably better drop Lovely Admin a wee email just to see what’s going on there. Ech. Have had a call from Very Nice Lady from Council Shielding Hub to check I’m still coping; & now have the Hub number so I can contact them if anything does go sideways. She seemed a bit confused to find herself talking about being worried about her normal job part-way through the phonecall. I tend to have that effect on people though; & I really am glad to hear that they’re expecting to be able to restart Adult Education stuff (albeit in a limited capacity as well as with social distancing measures etc) in September. As the Very Nice Lady (also known as Therese) said, it’s a lifeline to a lot of the people who attend the classes.

My trip up to the hospital on Monday coincided with getting a response to my complaint to my local CCG. Which was Quite Something. And is going to generate another complaint - need to talk to my CNS about whether she wants to make her own complaint/what she wants me to say in my complaint about their misrepresentation of what she said. Quite how they thought I’d not check with her what her doing a complete volte face on the relative safety of me attending hospital vs a District Nurse coming out to me I don’t know... Hmm I got to see a different one of the Lovely IVAD Team who was also v excited & pleased about my having a port. Given I’d to have 10 vials of blood taken it’s lucky I’ve got it as there’s no way they could have got that much blood from me using butterflies Envy (Not. Envy.)

@Goingcrazy55
Hope that your Union have got back to you & are helpful. As @Splitsunrise said, if your GP surgery keep refusing to provide a letter (which is ridiculous!) complain to the practice manager. They literally just need a receptionist to put in the name, print it out & get a GP to sign it (& probably put the practice stamp on it as well, didn’t check to see if mine has that). No excuse not to do that.

@SuncreamInTheWinter
Am sorry you were left feeling so vulnerable, & hopefully you’ll not have another exacerbation like that; but also hope if you do you’ll feel more confident about coping at home as done it successfully before. Am not sure where you are, but if your area didn’t previously have an admissions reduction plan for people with severe asthma, they’ll almost certainly have based it off a combination of existing ones. A pandemic is just a particularly scary/bad time to roll one out/make such a big change to people’s individual treatment plans really - though I suppose Covid-19 is pretty much the ultimate HIA to want to avoid atm. While I think of it, if you don’t usually have nebulised steroids, did they tell you they can wreak havoc on some nebulisers? If that’s the case you might want to check - I found out the hard way I needed a different mesh & to dilute with saline. As @AMileInMyShoes says though, your tipping point for calling an ambulance during an acute exacerbation shouldn’t be messed with - so your numbers for a SATs drop (& non-improvement)/cyanosis/inability to speak/using accessory muscles & all that stuff: really REALLY hope nobody was mucking around with those parameters.

@Skybluepink123
Do you think your DH will chose to go back even if shielding is extended? And if he does is there somewhere else he can stay?

@iVampire
Oh no! How frustrating about your foot. I suppose if you’re on crutches you can use them to ward people off if they’re failing to socially distance?
30/500 co-codamol is a controlled drug so they can give them to patients in A&E but they’re subject to tight prescribing & dispensing restrictions. Frustrating they were so slow with your TTOs though - they really can’t be having people hang about like that atm so seems like they need to review procedures.
Good luck with the marathon training. Sadly think October isn’t likely to go ahead. Maybe they’ll be able to hold it over to next year? As you say, a souvenir of the race unrun is kind of cool?

@LockdownLucie
I have severe asthma but still have to wear a mask when I go to the hospital & have been instructed to wear one if/when I leave the house in future. I wore a surgical-type mask the first time I went & a cloth one on Monday. I’ve got a (non-valved, as it’s meant to be easier to breathe through) N-95 filter one as well (the company are planning to make N99 filters for it too but I’ve not tried it out yet. I’m not sure what ID you’d carry, but tbh I think the biggest issue is likely to be people hoiking their judgey-pants; & they won’t be interested in ID. Because people are the worst.

@Egghead68
Good. Grief. That’s an awful lot of people for that hour. Given they almost all socially distanced I wonder if they’re also shielding or at least vulnerable?
Sorry your colleague was such an utter arse.

@Alakazam8
Can you contact the person you’re shielding’s consultant if the GP is so intractable? Or the GP & practice manager to point out that they do not meet the criteria. Am a wee bit concerned about you as from what you write it sounds as if you could be being forced to do this as part of a controlling relationship - people don’t usually hesitate to say if it’s the case that someone, for example, wouldn’t cope with [feeling they were] “breaking the rules”. Of course I might be completely wrong & I very much don’t wish to offend - & I certainly won’t push the matter. Just please know that if that is the case there’s help out there.

@10brokengreenbottles
Am so sorry about your DS3 - hope his foot heals up well & quickly.

@OneNightTimeMenaceStrikesBack
What a cute wee dog. Is your housemate/their mummy able to do the walking? He’s too wee to go out with even an 11yo labrador yet isn't he?

@OceanPotion
Am sorry you’ve had to go to that point. And that your work are being so unsupportive. Really hope things fall out in your favour.
Oooh, just read your update! Hurrah for being head-hunted! Good luck with your interview, will hold my thumbs for you. Am really pleased to hear you’ve had so many positives lately. And ferrets are adorbs, if a wee bit smelly.

@TitsalinaBumSquash
Am glad your counsellor is being so supportive. Hope that you [start to] feel better as you focus on the things you can be in charge of.

@FuckThisWind
Sorry you’d to deal with that. Does seem to be a bit of a Festival Of Ableism & Ageism going on as a result of this; & an impressive number of people only too ready to parade their ignorance. Even more people ready to try to excuse people being wildly ableist too - I don’t care if people are scared, frankly, that doesn’t suddenly legitimise thinking people with disabilities &/or health issues are essentially subhuman. Ugh.

@Redcherries
Hope your husband is having a good birthday.

@DoingMyOwnThing - I’ve had similar advice to @rugbymummy. It’s the immunosuppressant effect of prednisolone they’re concerned with: some people with other conditions are shielding because they’re on continuous low-dose prednisolone. Did your consultant mention a study or was that pure anecdata? I know asthma UK & the BLF are constantly updating, but I’ve not seen an impact study from either yet. Was told on Monday that I’m not yet to leave the house other than for hospital appointments, so it’s a really big contrast in advice.

@Madhairday
Hello Grin
Sorry you’ve been so upset by the ableism & general eejittery about shielding. Come. Join us. We have cookies. Not woke ones...

@kirstinm
Glad you got to see your Daddy & your friend. Also yay pizza!

@Pebble21uk
At least in Devon it won’t involve too much travel for that MP to Get. In. The. Sea. Angry

@outnumberedwoman
Am so sorry you’ve another infection - really REALLY hope it clears up. My dentist is starting to open for Actual Appointments from the middle of the month - when yours opens if you’re still having such trouble I don’t know if you could go if you were given the first appointment of the day? Really hope that these antibiotics finally sort things for you.
That’s so incredibly poor about you supposedly not being on the list. Would your GP surgery ring your local supermarket for you? Ridiculous HSCNI can’t get it together on this. (Am still pleasantly surprised the Sinners didn’t throw a wobbly about bilingual letters, mind you...)

@MyEyesightIsBadLetsGoForADrive
History has everything one needs to know folded up in it. Yes. Art, English, Geography, RE, MFLs, Classics, Maths (though, er, maybe this is not the context for Nazi maths questions about “how much can we save by bumping off the disabled?”), politics, philosophy, economics, PSHE... am sure you could even sift some PE out of it...
Cats are awesome & splendid. Do wish I could convince mine they are obligate carnivores though. Possibly there were tears over the theft (& shameless gromphling) of vegan croissants last week. On the plus side, it’s my brother they harass at ridiculous o’clock for breakfast...

ThunderCrack · 10/06/2020 14:01

Shielding doesnt seem to bad when the sun is shinning....

It totally sucks when its raining, cold and grey

Madhairday · 10/06/2020 14:58

Lovely post @MyEyesightIsBadLetsGoForADrive (and I love your username Wink ) - I could have said exactly the same about my teens; wonderful and exasperating in equal measure. In general they're being great although 19 year old DD is desperate to be back at uni - having had that taste of independence she's not enjoying home life so much for prolonged periods. DS (16) is being great, much more positive than I'd thought given he's missing GCSEs and end of y11 etc. He's being a real star with cooking, cleaning etc to and just generally pleasant to be around so I'm very thankful for tjat.

I met one friend for a socially distanced stroll this morning and it was wonderful. Just what I needed after a really crappy few days.

Thanks also @MarieVanGoethem, I hope you get the call from your surgeon soon Flowers
Can I have some of the (non-woke) cookies? Does that make them sleepy cookies? Sounds good to me Grin

Egghead68 · 10/06/2020 16:27

Glad to see you back @MarieVanGoethem. I was worried about you! You are so good to namecheck us all. Sorry the response to your complaint wasn’t great. Also hope your surgeon calls soon. I share your fantasy of an online space for all us 2.5 millionish shielders

Babysharkdoodoodood · 10/06/2020 16:49

Well, i got a keyboard, mouse and monitor delivered from work today. Not a lot of good without a laptop/pc to run them though. Or a phone/headset to make calls.

So I'll stay sitting looking wistfully out of the window for another week or so.

NervousInYorkshire · 10/06/2020 17:14

Interesting briefing - single adult households can now form a support bubble and go into other people's homes; they can't advise anyone shielding to do this though.

They will be announcing more arrangements next week for shielders beyond the end of June.

FuzzyPuffling · 10/06/2020 17:31

I feel awful today. Very, very low, tearful and exhausted. Today I am not able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. What light?

Madhairday · 10/06/2020 17:49

@FuzzyPuffling I'm so sorry. I hear you. This thing takes its toll and is mentally exhausting. Flowers

I'm optimistic the numbers are better and we won't be doing this forever. Are you able to get out for a walk at all?

I have been feeling like this some days too, so teary and fragile. It sucks Flowers

FuzzyPuffling · 10/06/2020 18:10

Thank you. Just saying that you hear me means such a lot. We're not being heard at all by the outside world.

Yes, we went for a lovely walk yesterday and a shorter up-the-lane one this morning before it started raining. But today is three months since we went into hiding and it is such a long time not seeing any friends or family.

Madhairday · 10/06/2020 18:44
Flowers
Pudding51 · 10/06/2020 18:49

I hope that next week's update allows shielded some human contact, so envious of those single people who can now hug their family, the longer this continues the lonelier and lower I become.

Egghead68 · 10/06/2020 19:14

Flowers @FuzzyPuffling. I hope tomorrow is a better day for you.

FuzzyPuffling · 10/06/2020 19:26

Pudding51 I stand with you on that. The more it gets easier for everyone else, the harder it becomes for us and the sadder I become. How long are we expected to do this? I think I might start a personal riot - that seems to get the attention of the powers that be.

rugbymummy · 10/06/2020 19:28

@FuzzyPuffling. Sending love and positive thoughts 💐 We hear you.

Pudding51 · 10/06/2020 20:00

Thank youFlowers

SuncreamInTheWinter · 10/06/2020 21:16

Pictures all over social media of people hugging family. Especially the kids. Family they don't live with. We are in Scotland and are only allowed to meet other households outside 2m apart.

It makes me so sad and envious that these people have so little worry about what this will do to them/their family that they feel fine doing that.

I'm sitting here quarantining the post because I'm scared I'll die or be left with further chronic health issues, which twitter seems full of stories of.

Jealous of how they all get to skip stages and I'm sitting here wondering I'm we will be allowed a walk next week! I don't know why what they do annoys me so much.

MarieVanGoethem · 11/06/2020 00:52

@ThunderCrack
Maybe I’m weird for finding it easier when it’s miserable out - feel I’m not missing the sunshine... am sorry you’re finding it rough...

@Madhairday
I can offer some v posh French chocolate chip cookies with chocolate cream in the centre; a kind of artisan custard cream; oat biscuits with jam & “cream” filling; & party rings. (ALL my biscuits are The Good Biscuits, yes. I could have the actual Pope &/or the Queen drop round & not be ashamed of the biscuits on offer.)

@Egghead68
Was a bit of an epic task to catch up this time... trying to make people feel heard matters & is something I can at least try to do in this mess. (Mess being pandemic, not the thread Grin)
Have emailed Lovely Admin so hopefully surgeon will call soon. Am not astonished CCG tried to fob me off, but they have been a bit stupid with the extent they've stretched the truth to. Calling me “Mr” in the covering email pretty much put the tin lid on things - it’s just so slack. I mean, not as slack as errors they’ve made in my care/actually killing my mother; but that slipshod DGAF attitude just encapsulates how dire they are.

@Babysharkdoodoodood
You don’t work for the Civil Service do you? Sounds awfully like something they’d do... Hmm Am sorry you’re still stuck: incredibly frustrating.

@FuzzyPuffling
Have just noticed I managed to miss you earlier, am so sorry - was so pleased to hear about your Proper Walk. Am really sorry you’re having such a difficult time just now Flowers

@SuncreamInTheWinter
It’s only natural to compare with what other people are doing - everyone started out similarly limited & staying stuck while others progress is inevitably frustrating even when you know you can’t safely move on in the same way yet.

FuzzyPuffling · 11/06/2020 08:22

"Marie", your biscuits sound bloody gorgeous. I'm trying to lose a few lockdown pounds but ohhhhh, the idea of posh custard creams...
Thank you to you and everyone for the acknowledgement and validation on this thread. There's so little of it in the big bad world.
Hoping everyone has a decent day.

rugbymummy · 11/06/2020 08:47

Posh custard cream for me too please : ) thank you!
My positivity bubble that I built myself (since I gave myself a good talking to at the weekend) feels a bit shrivelled and potentially has a leak this morning. Turning the news off now. Have heard ‘shielded not included’ about a million times this morning as well as the old classic ‘the shielded elderly’.
It’s such an internal fight all the time not to just put my head on the table and stay there.
Looks like it’s going to be sunny here on Saturday so I will use that as my focus to get through today. A nice day on my sunlounger with a gin or 3.
Hope you have a better day today Fuzzy.

ClientQ · 11/06/2020 10:14

I broke shielding yesterday. Feel a hundred times better for it Blush
Back to sticking to the rules now though (the person I saw had a negative covid test and has been shielding since then for the past 4 weeks)

Pudding51 · 11/06/2020 11:04

Posh custard cream here please.Client, Q, I can see your need to break the lock down, it's so tempting, especially today when friends and social media are posting such lovely posts about finally seeing and hugging their loved ones.

OneNightTimeMenaceStrikesBack · 11/06/2020 12:08

feeling quite low recently and struggling a lot with instrusive thoughts, realyl bad ones. my PTSD has also been triggered but i cant work out what by.

Little dog is keeping me busy, hes a whirlwind for half the day then he just crashes out and sleeps and does his little puppy snores. will put up mor epictures when i manage to get him to keep still!!

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