If you are a Conservative voter how do you feel about Dominic Cummings apparent power over Boris Johnson?

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Just that really. When scientific advisors have been sacked for flouting the rules and Boris Johnson comes out and says Dominic Cummings did nothing wrong how do you feel?

My father has been taken into hospital today – not covid related – but my mum is on her own. They have been in isolation since the beginning of lockdown. My instinct is to go and be with my mum as she is 200 miles away and alone.

No. I am fairly certain in thinking he was not separated from his wife. I am fully aware that he travelled with his wife and son.

You've clearly an inability to read posts. The legislation did and does not cover exceptional circumstances with children.

He has not broken the law, he went against public health guidelines in leaving his London home.

What would you like me to withdraw?

If a parent during the lockdown drove 260 miles to collect their child from a university campus, would you be baying for them?

You'll remember I asked you to show me the paragraph you thought you were relying on.

You appear to be denying it was the one about separated parents, although that seemed to fit what you had in mind.

So what paragraph is it that you think you are relying on?

You'll remember I asked you about Ferguson.

You're totally wrong. You're also quite wrong in assuming I'm accountable to you.

You withdraw where you have stated on a public forum that I support people with Covid-19 leaving their homes. Find me where I said this.

Two can play your game, PigletJohn. You refuse to answer anything that's butted back to you and you excused a Professor having a mother of three in his home.

He did not break any 'rules'

At the very worst, he made an error of judgement.

I am not involved in Whataboutery.

You say that Cummings that did not break rules.

I have shown you the "instructions" from the Prime Minister which he disobeyed.

I have asked you to show me why you think he was not bound by them

You have made a glancing reference to children moving between the homes of parents, which you have now backed away from.

So, what do you claim is his excuse?

No he didn't break any rules.

I used the explanation regarding separated children as an example outside of Cummings' actions to illustrate the law, (not the rules) permitted. To which you've translated incorrectly, then proceeded to making breathtaking claims about what I think. (Which is whataboutery)

You say that Cummings that did not break rules.

I have shown you the "instructions" from the Prime Minister which he disobeyed.

I have asked you to show me why you think he was not bound by them

Nope.

He was bound by them. Just as we all are. Instructions are very different to rules.

weaseling?

You've lost me now.

You have a good evening.

I want to understand why DC is so important to the Tories.
DC is personally abrasive.
He has spectacularly misjudged how his "instinctive parenting" would look to the general public.
Hundreds of families had the opportunity to make similar choices but did not travel, they didn't think it was allowed.
Not a single minister would have defended those families if they made the same decisions.
But if DC pushes the rule boundary, that's alright then.
Why is he so speshul?
It's like the MPs have forgotten they govern with consent of "the People".

Well you don’t often see PigletJohn going for it on the forum!

Who and what Boris is was obvious back in december and people voted for him in droves. He’s only demonstrated it here. He believes the ruling class are above the law, above explaining themselves, and above consequences. He’s being absolutely consistent. I’m not Ok with that but apparently lots of people are.

I am a lifelong Conservative voter and I am incandescent.

It is indefensible.

Worse than what he did in April is the impact to the Public's giving two shits about Govt instruction as we transition out of lockdown.

Why should people follow guidelines when the leaders that drafted them don't? We are clearly not all in this together are we?

Why should parents send their children to school next week.

Why should people believe the government and have the confidence to re build our economy.

Sorry to hear about your father.

However I support Dom and want him to stay. It's a non story, it doesn't matter, the media are on a witch hunt.

It's a non story

I genuinely don't know how anyone can think that, that's an awful thing to say. It just minimises the sacrifices so many people have made trying to do the right thing.

It is an absolute witch hunt. For those that aren't aware, a consultation was had regarding relaxing the guidelines for people and children with autism. This was announced on April 9th.

While that was outside of the dates DC travelled, they could be used retrospectively because the legislation did not allow for disabled people and children.

None of the legislation has yet been tested in a court of law. Therefore, the court of MN is sketchy to say the least.

I agree @Megatron it is not a 'non story' and of course, his actions should be subject to scrutiny, but it has gone way too far.

Wow so you’ve seen the child’s auto-aim diagnosis then?

I would say many who voted for the tories, didn’t vote for the tories but against Corbyn. I blame Corbyn for this government and its constant shit show. If he had stepped down, we wouldn’t have ended in such mess.

I voted labour just because my GP is great but honestly, it took quite an effort to trust Labour after Corbyn took over.

On the basis of that, I don’t think many Tory voters reject their vote, I agree with them that Corbyn was deranged and Labour a mess at the time of the vote.

It is an absolute witch hunt. For those that aren't aware, a consultation was had regarding relaxing the guidelines for people and children with autism. This was announced on April 9th.

That’s nice. Why was not this advertised? Surely other parents with disabled kids should have been made aware about them?

I’m not quite sure that relaxed rule was there, but then after so much lying they can come tomorrow to tell us they never approved a lock down and we would be non the wiser...

I cant answer why it was not advertised, Mother of All Dilemmas. It was taken on by a legal firm after being approached by parents and carers of autistic children.

Here is the announcement.

www.autism.org.uk/get-involved/media-centre/news/2020-04-09-guidance-on-exercise-coronavirus.aspx

Is there any proof whatsoever that the child has autism? Other than Twitter?

You'll remember I asked you about Ferguson.

Ah yes. Ferguson, who advised the Government, broke the rules (sorry - should that be "failed to follow health guidelines"?) and resigned from his post as Government advisor.

I don't see why he should have been fired from Imperial College too - unless you are saying everyone who breaks the rules - sorry, fails to follow the guidelines - should lose their job?

It was right that he should lose his governmental role, as his actions flouted the government line, but his job as a researcher and professor at a university are surely irrelevant? I'm not sure why you have such a bee in your bonnet about it.

What proof is required ?

His son may have a range of needs that none of us know.

Or he may have none outside the normal. There is no evidence that he has, and no-one who would actually be likely to "know" has said anything about it.

I don't. Sighs

It was in the OP. About a government scientist losing his job. He didn't lose his job, Ferguson stepped down in his role as SAGE advisor. He didn't lose his job.

It was another poster that claimed 'it was different'