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Did his science confirm immunity? I thought we were still waiting on that decision.

I thought it lingered on for ages in our bodies...people seem to have it for weeks.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52301633 says mild cases take on average 2 weeks to recover...but it seems a bit vague

It doesn't even really matter, does it? He's behind the advice to everyone else not to do what he has done, on pain of being a murderer and destroying our NHS.

It surely must make even some dementors question the message?

It definitely makes you think about how he made his own judgement on risk but we have to follow rules without doing so...

Anyway, it is quite funny really. Do as I say not as I do! How can people trust them when they don't practice what they preach?

I just read this quite balanced article about the schools approaches to going abroad in different countries. www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-52550470

As if there weren’t all the hypocrisy and pressure to stay home, save lives etc, Tory minister now making us feel guilty for being “addicted” to furlough. Does he just expect me to take 3 kids to work with me?

Meanwhile we have a relative who is a teacher, who says he won’t go in to work until there’s a vaccine because he still lives at home with his parents (massive house) and they are shielding.

Can one be a dementor and a snowflake at the same time?

Hmm...seems to be a bit of a pattern forming of blaming the public there...first shame us and frighten us with the lockdown 'advice' and 'rules' now blame us for the furlough they told us to have!

OK....

Lockdown is either enforced by compliance or by force. Obviously, we all want it to be enforced by choice rather than force. This means fostering a relationship of trust with the public. That trust has now been shattered.

That idiot NF has the nerve to tell us all to lockdown, that if we dont we will be responsible for 500000 deaths. People are not seeing their parents, their siblings, their best friends due to his advice. People are making huge personal sacrifices to comply with lockdown.
Then it turns out HE isnt even bloody doing it! It doesnt matter what his "science" says (and lets not forget, he has a history of getting the science wrong - he predicted a doomsday scenario for foot and mouth that never occurred so yes, I would actually question his science too!).

Trust has gone now. Thats his fault. You cannot expect the public to comply with lockdown like good girls and boys whilst the person who asked for it is flouting the very rules he wants us to comply with. There is an overwhelming feeling now of- well, it cant be THAT important if he isnt doing it! why should I not see my loved ones when HE is?
This has made a total farce of lockdown. An absolute farce.

I had hoped this thread would be about balance, but it seems not, it seems you are as demented as the lockdown forever brigade

Absolutely not. There are people with varying opinions on this thread. Some don’t want lockdown lifted anytime soon, some hope it will be, some hope for it to ease a bit, some haven’t said what their views are on lockdown. This thread is about people who go on to other threads looking for people who demonstrate any form of positive thinking (whatever their views) and try to drag them down.
FWIW I think it’s fairly amusing that the man who advised the government that we absolutely all had to lockdown, decided that that didn’t actually apply to him. So it’s just the rest of us spreading it then is it? He said he decided he was no risk as he’d had a positive test... so has my mum (three weeks ago) so can she come round? If he’s allowed to make his own risk assessments, surely we all can? It’s not about ‘doubting his science’ (although his science has been proven to be less than sound in the past), it’s about him either not believing his own science, and the sheer hypocrisy of believing that he is above the rules he has set for everyone else.

This has made a total farce of lockdown. An absolute farce

And this. We have people on here panicking about breaking the rules if they go and help their mother who is caring for their spouse with dementia for example, but he can have his bit on the side round. Regardless of the science, his behaviour is abhorrent and unfortunately he has a responsibility for both.

Well, I think most of us will see that lockdown has resulted in the curve flattening etc and overall that is a good thing.

However it is daft to expect a blind 'rule following' when they aren't doing it themselves...in fact as he did this after testing positive that is a high risk situation, putting a whole family at risk...quite different to e.g. visiting relatives at 2m distance to drop off food for example.

So yes, that is farcical considering some of the things people are being fined for. I saw one about bikers being fined for travelling a distance to pick up fish and chips. The person in the earlier article going, alone to look at the stars. Very little risk in those cases, compared to what he has done.

I honestly dont see how the government can stand up on the 8th or whenever it is and tell us to stay locked down after this! How can they when the person who advised the lockdown has broken it several times?! Even if they do say it, lots of people will likely ignore it. If he is allowed to risk assess himself then so are we. All this just for a shag- could he not have waited a few weeks?- he has hands doesnt he? 😆

It just blows my mind that people in positions of massive trust and responsibility cannot follow the rules they’re imposing on others. It exposes such a ‘them and us’ mindset. Either that or just sheer stupidity. Either way, it massively discredits them. Which in a situation like this could be disastrous.

I know right? If anyone on MN had posted that they had CV, did a self risk assessment, and met up several times with their lover for sex (who also had a family at home to potentially infect) they would be flamed into oblivion until they were just a raisin size piece of shrivelled charcoal.

Yet, because he's a scientist this is apparently "ok"?
No. He's an utter moron and people wont comply after seeing his antics and frankly, I dont blame them one bit.

Absolutely @AlexisCarringtonColbyDexter !

Midget, for me it’s not just about the fact he broke lockdown it’s about all the other cock ups he’s made in his career. There is a good article in the Spectator that lists all the things he’s been responsible for, quite how he was trusted in the first place is beyond me.

I was just reading about how Germany has completely failed to see any spike in infections despite being several weeks into cautiously easing their lockdown. At least with much of Europe reopening we can look at their actual experience rather than relying on modelling....and I think everyone accepts that modelling on its own is an imperfect tool, even if still a useful one? I saw an interesting quote in I think the Times from another member of the Imperial College team about what the outcome of liftinv various restrictions might be. His answer was "On the record I don't know. Off the record I don't know". I respected the honestly. I think everyone accepts that there will be an element of risk in easing restrictions, but we also all know there are very real concrete risks to continuing to live like this.

Well we'll see the results in 3 weeks time, I wonder if they'll call it the Ferguson effect.

Wonder what Boris will say about it tomorrow

That's not me dementoring, I'm just curious. This with lockdown fatigue and more shops opening up means the blame will be shifted onto the public again.

Agree with all - his arrogance is totally gobsmacking

I think his arrogance comes from the fact that he seems to have got away with so much historically and the government STILL trust him. I am more than happy to ‘follow the science’ but they should have had someone with some credibility and a proven track record at the helm to make sure people felt confident in what they were being told.

If anyone on MN had posted that they had CV, did a self risk assessment, and met up several times with their lover for sex (who also had a family at home to potentially infect) they would be flamed into oblivion until they were just a raisin size piece of shrivelled charcoal.

^^ This, this and this x100!!

Exactly. His credentials were dubious beforehand, trust in him was already low. This has just finished him off.
And I’m not an anti lockdowner. I think we needed to take extreme action. But the British public cannot be expected to have any faith in a man who behaves in the way he has behaved.

I wonder if I'm wrong to have detected a certain glee in a minority of scientists/medical experts in the current situation. It is as if this minority relish both being in the spotlight and the idea that they can in some way now control the behaviour of the general population, and are happy that for the most part life enjoyment has been largely snuffed out.

I think we are deluding ourselves if we think that MPs have been following lockdown 'rules' and staying at home and all that happy horseshit. So many helicopters ferrying certain people to their second homes in the country. The reason for all the stay at home stuff is because they know the underfunded NHS won't cope, which means the government doesn't look good.
Instead we have them pushing this 'war time spirit' shit and scaring the hell out of people. I know people have died, before anyone starts on me, but how 'dangerous' was this thing? We've had pandemics before and the country didn't have to grind to a halt like this? Is it because of the prevalance of social media? I don't know. I just feel angry and that we've been lied to.
If some people are allowed to assess their own risk and make informed decisions, why not all of them? Fucking politicians.