Which Real Life Mystery Do You Find Most Fascinating?

[LifeIsBrutal]

Mine is D. B. Cooper. He hijacked a beong 727, stole $1.25 million in today's money, and parachuted down to earth with it. His identity is unknown and it's unknown if he survived the plunge to earth.

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The utter denial the family are in, to the extent of going to the press repeatedly to deny what the toxicology reports confirmed more than once, 'is' a mystery to me.

That mystery is also the crux of the documentary.

BovaryX tbh honest given the sheer unlikeliness if someone fiddling with the camera etc then my money would be on some of those details being wrong / exaggerated/ lost in translation / amplified at second hand. That would be about a thousand times more likely than someone trugging around vats of chemicals to bleach bone fragments in surely?

money would be on some of those details being wrong / exaggerated/ lost in translation / amplified

The timeline I have cited is from their phones. If you want to dispute it, provide a source. By the way, the bleach in question was apparently phosphorus, which is used extensively as a fertiliser in that area...

By which I Presume you mean an English transcription of a Spanish report on their phones made available online. Several steps where errors could creep in.

I’m not particularly interested in this case so I won’t go digging. But basically if it’s a toss up between a killer doing something staggeringly stupid and unlikely and a mistake in the data, my money is always on the latter. Think Corrie McKeague and the bin lorry.

I’m not particularly interested in this case so I won’t go digging

? Well since nobody has ever been arrested for this, if it was foul play, I am not sure what you mean by staggeringly stupid. Do you imagine rape murders are committed by people who carefully analyse potential consequences? In this case, there were none. This is absolutely nothing like the case of the guy in the dumpster. Isn't there video of him falling into it? The accident theory in the Panama case does not fit. Can't really understand why you are arguing about it since you say you aren't interested in reading about the case.

@BlancheDuBlah - not you specifically 😊. There are many people who think it's mysterious. I personally think this kind of denial is fairly common in human nature though.

One problem is that by 'mysterious' some people mean 'not how I would behave in the circumstances'. So people doing weird things (Elisa Lam for example) get put down to 'mysterious circumstances', when they are often explicable by the terms of the person concerned.

Unless your life has been in danger, or you've found yourself in a certain circumstance, you don't really know how you would behave. Paradoxical undressing, psychosis, extreme drunkeness, misbehaving technology... these can explain a lot of 'mysteries'.

rapists and murderers don't always analyse the consequences of their actions, of course not. But nor do they make life needlessly complicated for themselves while simultaneously making it much more likely they'll get caught. I don't believe a killer would fiddle with the pictures and put it back etc. rather than just keep it / bin it.

No footage in the Corrie McKeague case as far as I'm aware. What made it go from SUPERNATURAL MYSTERY ZOMG to oh we 99% know what happened here is they realised someone ballsed up the data.

I've read a bit on the Panama girls and it's a really sad case. I don't claim to be an expert on it and accept ANY explanation could have happened. We can't really rule anything out at the moment including foul play.

My theory (which I'm not 100% sure of) is the most likely one which is :

They either got lost or both/one of the girls fell and got hurt. The other girl stayed. Multiple attempts of calls to emergency services over a series of days makes me think they weren't captured imo because I doubt any kidnapper would allow that (several times).
I suspect Kris succumbed to either her injury or something first, hence the incorrect PIN number attempts on her phone, likely by Lisanne.

I think so many strange things about this case so as I say I wouldn't rule out other theories but that's mine.

the bleach in question was apparently phosphorus, which is used extensively as a fertiliser in that area...

If used as fertiliser it's not that unlikely that any body lying on the ground for months would be in close contact with it.

And that word so often used in mysteries - apparently.

That's not to say foul play wasn't the case, I haven't seen any of the original or official reports. I doubt many people with theories have 🤷🏼‍♀️

By the way, the bleach in question was apparently phosphorus, which is used extensively as a fertiliser in that area...

So presumably is also in the local streams and rivers due to run off, and therefore could have got on to the bones naturally.

I hadn't heard of the Panama girls until I read this thread. Awful. I'm genuinely intrigued to know, if there was no foul play, how the girls' bodies could have been so badly broken and so much of each body still missing. Wouldn't it have to be one hell of a strong animal to break a pelvis in two? I have no theories at all and this is a genuine question.

Upthread it was a chemical not found in nature. Now it's fertiliser

WIki has "a pelvis was found". allthatsinteresting.com has "a pelvic bone". thedailybeast.com and random blogs have references to half a pelvis or a broken pelvis. Like I said I'm no expert on this case but it's easy to see how details get amplified and distorted by Chinese whispers.

Wouldn't it have to be one hell of a strong animal to break a pelvis in two?

What, like a massive great fuckoff jaguar?

I hadn't heard of the Panama girls until I read this thread. Awful. sad I'm genuinely intrigued to know, if there was no foul play, how the girls' bodies could have been so badly broken and so much of each body still missing. Wouldn't it have to be one hell of a strong animal to break a pelvis in two? I have no theories at all and this is a genuine question

There were no signs of animal bites etc on the bones. The foot was broken clean off and still in its boot. Kris' pelvis was snapped in half. The theory of the prosecutor was that their bodies had been transported by the river, but the water level was low because there had been a drought. It's really bizarre. There is a subtitled interview with Kris' father, he believes they were murdered.

@SheWranglesRugRats

For someone 'not interested' in this case, you seem obsessed with it!

Disappearance of
Lee Boxell
Luke Durbin
Andrew Gosden
Patrice Lee
MM (lived in the next village to me)
Ben Needham
I find it fascinating how children or adults can just disappear the amount of missing people on the missing people website is heartbreaking and some have been missing for years

I'm not obsessed, I'm bored. Back to work now though.

This thread is keeping me busy!

Just read up on the Tamam Shud case, really strange and the Delphi Bridge murders that one is just awful, seeing the images from the murdered girls phone of the murderer .

I think the Panama case has become a bit like the Bermuda Triangle. So many assumptions, misunderstanding, translation errors, Chinese whispers, a tendency to report opinion as fact, plain old fashioned making stuff up, made up stuff being re-reported as "allegedly" and "apparently" until those words are dropped and it becomes "fact".

And on it goes.

Thought of another
Richey Edwards from the Manic Street Preachers

For me the weirdest thing is the pictures. Why would they have taken pictures of some loo roll?

Fair enough Milk

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