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AuntieSocia1 · 22/04/2020 16:06

Apologies for the very unsnazzy title but as it suggests a place to chat for those who have to shield at the moment. A few of us have been talking on the the Shielding after lockdown thread in the coronavirus topic.

Thought I'd put this in chat as some days I'm guessing we'll want to chat about anything other than coronavirus!

I know all of our circumstances are quite different as well as the reason we need to shield but it's a pretty big thing to have in common. Despite my username I look forward to interacting with you and as my username suggests I might also slink off from time to time!

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MarieVanGoethem · 22/05/2020 22:30

Oh @AuntieSocia1 lovely, am sorry you’re feeling so low. Are you getting enough Vitamin D atm? One of the less-obvious things deficiency in it causes is depression, so maybe worth checking? Has your GP offered any kind of other support - particularly for the period of time it’ll take ADs to start working? It’s ok not to feel cheerful & to say you’re not - not much point having this space if you can’t be honest in it. Flowers

@Redcherries
So SNAFU, then? As standard for this government. Hmm

@ClientQ
Think arranging social distancing in hospitals is such a logistical nightmare they’re going to want to keep the majority of appointments phone/video ones as phone ones for the foreseeable. Basically anything where they don’t absolutely HAVE to touch people or do tests on them they don’t want them clarting the place up.

@Babysharkdoodoodood
Hope you can manage to get some antibiotics via OOH/111. How was the takeaway?

@outnumberedwoman
Oh how frustrating! Hope antibiotics start working over the weekend & getting rest of course sorted on Tuesday isn’t an issue.

AuntieSocia1 · 22/05/2020 22:45

Thank you @MarieVanGoethem that is kind of you to say. I was also prescribed iron and folic acid. Hopefully that perks me up a bit too. I take a multivitamin but I'll be conscious of vitamin D. With the weather today I've definitely not had any natural sunlight!

I feel very glad to be able to come here and have people understand

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MarieVanGoethem · 23/05/2020 02:22

That’s ok @AuntieSocia1: it can be hard to be honest about Not Being Ok - eg because you’re used to doing Performative Coping for the benefit of others/because doing so has ended badly before/because you don’t want to [be thought to be] Attention Seeking (which is a weird phrase, really, given all human interaction is attention seeking & humans require attention from others to be healthy) - but one of the great joys of the anonymous forum is that you do not have to dance for us. We care, but you have no obligations to fulfil, so you can unload here or NC to have a shout into the void of a thread you want to throw away entirely, or you can take a break, or you can post fluffy things (here or elsewhere) to distract you & any or all of those things & other choices besides are fine & valid.
Vitamin D is definitely one to watch - they’re actually suggesting it at a high(ish) dose (need to be cautious as it’s one you can overdose on) as a protective measure & it’s good for people with asthma & arthritis (& about a billion other things). Lots of people feel off before hitting clinical deficiency. I tend to go along with an ok level & it then plummets. Meaning it’s time for another roughly-annual injection. Hopefully bringing up your iron & folic acid levels will help too - [additional] fatigue from those being wonky can make you feel wretched.

Hope that everyone has a good weekend. I’d my new bedlinen arrive last night so I need to order sheets & pillowcases to go with it; & later today I’ve a parcel of Delicious Things coming from one of the vegan supermarkets. Which began with 2.5kg brown rice for my brother as not able to get any in supermarkets, more chocolate oat milk due to it being Made Of Deliciousness & supply being limited, & some condensed milk for vegan!traybakes; & then somehow All. The. Vegan. Things. happened to me. Blush

Speaking of food, I read an article on the BBC News website earlier that said takeaways are considered safe even for the extremely vulnerable. Though we shouldn’t eat them out of the packaging, we need to put them on plates. Which wouldn’t work terribly well with a coffee - unless you took a travel mug to decant it into, I suppose? Hmm

ClientQ · 23/05/2020 03:01

UTI again here too Hmm
I had one two weeks ago that started on a Friday evening. 3 days of antibiotics knocked it back but it came back so I'm on 7 days now

2catsblack · 23/05/2020 03:24

I got my first online supermarket delivery. I only got it because my GP contacted the head office of my local supermarket that I have shopped with online / in store for year. I spent so much to stock up after 9 weeks, it feels like Christmas.

2catsblack · 23/05/2020 03:25

Should say 'years' in fact 30 years!

Pops4414 · 23/05/2020 08:40

Hi, just looking for some advice please. I am shielding as I have a blood disease and weakened immune system. My father in law has just died (not Covid related). We live in the south of England and my husband has gone up twice to stay with his family in the north east of Scotland during lockdown, to be with his dad. He went back up a third time on the train this week and made it in time to be with his dad when he passed. The funeral is on Thursday. My husband suggested he gets the train home tomorrow and then drive me and our 2 little ones up to stay with the family and attend the funeral. He said a family friend will look after the kids at her house. I feel that he and his family are not taking my shielding situation seriously. His family have had people over visiting and will have people back at there house after the cremation service. I think his family don’t really understand what shielding entails and they may think it’s just me being a bit anxious and scared. I think I shouldn’t go, am I right to think this? Sorry for the essay, I’m really torn over what I should do...

MarieVanGoethem · 23/05/2020 10:40

@Pops4414
I’m very sorry for your loss; & also sorry your DH is so blinded by it he’s apparently forgotten that lockdown exists let alone that you’re shielding. He got to say goodbye to his father, an immense privilege at the current time. Is he hoping to see his own children also grieving the loss of a parent? Has he read the shielding guidelines? Is he observing ANY of them when he’s home? He’s not been coming back & sleeping in the same bed as you has he? TBH if he has I don’t know how significantly increased the risk to you is of going given the level of exposure he will have had with his gallivanting. Did you point out to him he’d no business breaking the lockdown that applied to the whole of the UK (no mixing households being a thing for everyone - it’s now only NI who can start meeting in groups of up to 6 [outside] at private residences as long as they distance) never mind the additional shielding guidelines he was breaking? Because rubbish as it is, if you didn’t say anything I can see why he’d think you’d be ok tbh.
Only you can decide what to do, but the shielding guidelines are very clear - no, you shouldn’t go. Your children shouldn’t go (“little ones” suggests they’d not be able to distance from you on their return). And frankly your husband shouldn’t be fecking about like this either. The death of a parent is awful. I’m terrified that my remaining parent is going to die & I won’t be able to attend their funeral Because Shielding. But the death of a spouse is also awful & your “D”H is putting you at risk & needs to get that into his head. TBH if I were you I’d be tempted to suggest he stay up there with his family until he gets clear on actually following the guidelines & keeping you safe, but obviously that’s easy for me to say with no skin in the game...

@ClientQ
Hope the antibiotics zap your UTI for good this time.

@2catsblack
Honest to God it’s shocking the mess supermarkets have made of this. Am glad that it’s finally sorted for you. Sainsbury’s, by any chance? Hmm Enjoy your shopping Grin

Egghead68 · 23/05/2020 10:41

I wouldn’t go @Pops4414 and would keep away from the rest of the family for 2 weeks when they get back. Sorry you are being put in this position.

Pops4414 · 23/05/2020 10:50

Thank you Marie and Egghead for taking the time to reply.
Marie, I have fallen out with husband numerous times over the last 6 weeks about his coming and going. I have voiced my concerns and about the fact that I’m shielding and even without that, he is breaking all the rules. I feel he has not considered me and the kids one bit, although I know it’s awful that he has lost his dad. He thinks I am cold, heartless and selfish for being the way I have during this! I was beginning to think I am so I wanted some outside opinions. I appreciate your responses, thank you so much.

MarieVanGoethem · 23/05/2020 11:44

Oh @Pops4414 I’m really sorry he’s made you feel that way. TBH as descriptions of behaviour go he might want to consider looking a bit closer to home. Or, you know, in a mirror.

I don’t agree with all the “you went out twice you’ve killed thousands” rhetoric - but repeatedly traipsing up & down the country on public transport could quite possibly have led to deaths. Why does he think he’s more special than the rest of the population that he doesn’t have to keep to the lockdown rules? Does he think he alone has feelings or just that his are more important than other people’s? Jesus wept there was a wee lad near me died alone (in sense of no family with him) & his mummy couldn’t go to his funeral as she’d coronavirus symptoms.

He really needs to catch himself on. I am sorry for him, but he’s being insanely selfish & going the right way to make a widower of himself.

Potentialmadcatlady · 23/05/2020 13:01

Pops..I’m so sorry you are all going through this... quite frankly if he was my husband I wouldn’t be letting him back home.. I would literally just lock and bolt the door... I guess it’s a bit different for me because I am shielding my teens so am a bit of a Mummy tiger about it but still🤷‍♀️... have you asked him what he would plan to do with the kids if he had to raise them on his own? I know how hard it is to lose a parent but him losing you too isn’t going to make that any better...
hang in there..

Babysharkdoodoodood · 23/05/2020 20:28

@outnumberedwoman @MarieVanGoethem Yeah. I don't think I need an antibiotic just yet. It's just grumbling away and I think the green tea and water is holding it at bay. Our gp is BAU on the bank holiday anyway and I always ask for 7 days now. My kidney stone is stuck in my ureterocele and I always worry about getting pyelonephritis again.

Takeaway was great. Loads of lamb and chicken. Making a crust less quiche and a pile of salads tonight. Baking as well. Made keto peanut butter blondies, but can only have one a day and have hidden them from DH. Grin

Got 2 new books delivered today to go through: The Diabetes Weight Loss and Reverse your Diabetes cookbooks. So going to browse through with a pile of sticky notes and meal plan my way through the next month. I wish it didn't hurt so much to walk, or exercise. I really miss going to the gym.

Read through side effects of gliclazide as I was feeling so sick today and one of them is weight gain! Just like every pill I'm on. How the heck am I supposed to shift anything. I'm fasting intermittently but nothing's working.
Gahhh!

Pops4414 · 23/05/2020 20:45

Thank you, I really appreciate you replying to me. I have been able to stand up and feel confident in saying no to my husband and his family, without feeling guilty or that I’m being a drama queen/selfish/heartless. To be honest I’ve been fuming for the last 6 weeks but just thought i was a selfish person. If there was no pandemic then I would have been up there no question. It is so good to speak to others who are shielding or who live with people who are shielding, as you understand. Thank you

Potentialmadcatlady · 23/05/2020 21:11

I think it is just so hard for people who aren’t shielding to understand.. I have spent years fighting to keep my boy alive and trying to get him to a stage where he was a relatively healthy adult ( he was never expected to survive) ... so it is a bit different for me because I’m shielding him iuswim. He has other issues so socially distancing in the house wouldn’t be possible so I have to shield too ( on consultants orders) to keep him safe. I keep telling him I know it feels like forever at the min but you will look back at this period in a few years time and remember it as just another episode in your life that we needed to get through in order to give you the life you have now.. tbf he has mostly been very good and understanding except for the odd day when it all gets a bit much.. i thank God everyday that he trusts me to always put him first because his father ( we are divorced mainly because he wouldn’t accept how unwell his son was/is) thinks we should now be getting back to normal and keeps telling him on the phone that he could come out now.
Good on you for standing up for yourself. Your little ones need you and you protecting yourself is protecting them.. hopefully your husband will see that once the very high emotions around his Fathers death start to settle just a little. Loosing a parent is a very strange path to travel- your whole world seems to shift under your feet... but he needs to protect his own wee family first

10brokengreenbottles · 23/05/2020 21:29

Can I join you please?

We are shielding DS'. Today I am down and worrying about how we are going to cope in the future.

DH's work are brilliant, he already WFH 2 or 3 days a week and they aren't planning to be back in the office for a while. But, DD2 is going to go back to university at some point. Even if lectures are online there's no way around labs. So she will move back to a house with other students and I don't know how we could then see her while protecting DS'.

As well as the condition he is shielding for DS1 has MH problems. It is going to be a nightmare getting him to leave the house after all this. He has already regressed. It is hard enough to get him into the garden.

DS2 is really missing face to face contact and proper exercise. We have some gym equipment, a trampoline, an indoor mini trampoline and numerous outdoor toys but it's not the same as all the sport he ordinarily does and there's no social contact like there is with team sports.

To top it off we should have been going away today for half term.

Sorry for my moaning.

Potentialmadcatlady · 23/05/2020 21:54

10brokengreenbottles.. gosh we are in similar circs... my other teen came home from uni to stay with us just as shielding started and she is desperate to go back to her uni digs soon so she can get out for exercise and see her friends in park etc.. once she leaves she won’t be able to come back unless she isolates in her bedroom here for 14days so it is unlikely she will come back.. she will probo stay in digs all summer (hopefully with some sort of job- her previous job is gone at min-was in a nightclub).. we won’t be able to go to get so it is likely to be months before we see her again. The one good thing that keeps me sane is that we have had 9weeks together

FuzzyPuffling · 23/05/2020 21:58

It's hard not to moan isn't it? And quite justified too. As other people get a few freedoms back ( and take the piss out if them in some cases- I live in a coastal area and it's stupid crazy round here) our worlds become further reduced. Some local shops have already announced they are stopping deliveries as they are opening their shop soon. Life seems to get both harder and sadder for us.

10brokengreenbottles · 23/05/2020 22:27

Potential DD2 has been home since the week before lockdown when we took DS2&3 out of school. I don't know when she will go back. Part of me doesn't want her to because I don't know when I'd next see her but I can't hold her back because of DS'.

Fuzzy I fear we will be left behind when bits of normality start to return to the rest of society.

OneNightTimeMenaceStrikesBack · 23/05/2020 22:34

well, im off for my xrays on tuesday and im on the waiting list for an EEG. suspected seizures so need to have the EEG to confirm it. have been told i will have to wear gloves and a mask while im in the clinic, which is fine by me. does mean having to travel to Sheffield though to go to the hospital for it. housemate will drive me but hes not allowed to come into the clinic with me, i have to go in alone they said. Im quite excited that i get to go out even if it is for tests haha

Also still waiting to hear about my complaint, its been a week now, i thought they would have contacted me by now...if i havent heard anything next week, im going to have to go higher up i suppose and/or get on social media and shame them into contacting me.

Potentialmadcatlady · 23/05/2020 22:38

10greenbottles... yes I’m the same.. I want her to stay here where we can be together and safe but I know she needs to keep moving forward with her life.. she will be an 8hour drive away when she goes so I don’t think it will be just yet.. I’m hoping she will stay until end of June.. realistically it will probo be Christmas before we get to see her again...
It’s crap...

MarieVanGoethem · 24/05/2020 01:51

Yesterday was my youngest nephew’s first birthday. I’ve still not met him. I was getting really ill when he was born & went into hospital a month later & spent most of the summer there. Then was in & out for the rest of the year. And the start of this. Never got to being well enough for the trip down to see my sister. And now I’ve no idea when I’ll get to go. And his card didn’t arrive in time & somehow that’s upset me more than it really should. And I’m convinced I’m going to miss my niece’s birthday in October; & there’s a very real risk it will be her last. And it’s her 10th birthday, which is the last I had with my mother, for whom she’s named; and she was meant to be going on her Make A Wish trip, but we’ve no fecking idea what’ll happen with that now. And frankly I’m quite tired of utterly horrific things happening to my family. Clearly I have noticed the pandemic is happening to everyone, yes. But just in this moment I’m preoccupied with the fact my family would appear to be land-walking mermaids, some of whom decided to try on the red shoes just to up the endless torture ante.

@Babysharkdoodoodood
Excellent re: the takeaway. Also the blondies. I have failed epically at food today by eating 7.5 (admittedly INSANELY calorie-dense) biscuits & some vegan jelly sweets. And spreading biscuits over day = not having any Creon. Yes, I know, such a failure is TRULY epic; & of course now I’m hungry... well done me... Will hold my thumbs you can keep the UTI at bay without antibiotics. On the sfx (& obv don’t mean the cool film & TV sort) side of things, could you request a medication review specifically with a view to reducing that specific part of the profile? Weight gain as a side effect is most commonly caused by medications increasing appetite so hopefully you’re not working against too much stuff that’s actively messing with your ability to lose weight. Do you have access to a dietitian? Would you like mine?

@Pops4414
Am glad we were able to help. Being made to doubt yourself like that must have been incredibly distressing. Given the circumstances, your husband attempting to manipulate you like this & claiming you’re being selfish (etc) while he breaks lockdown & puts you at an insane amount of risk - I think it could even be considered gaslighting. Does he usually expect you [& your children] to live your lives round his desires regardless of your needs? Is he generally so selfish? Does he usually take your illness seriously, or does he behave as if it’s something you’ve dreamt up to inconvenience him? I know grief can make people behave very strangely, but he’s been behaving very badly for the last 6 weeks & putting you at terrible risk. I’m really glad you felt able to say no to him & to keep yourself safe. Always feel free to come back if you’re needing a chat - about anything at all, though I’m not planning to inflict my musings on [anthropomorphised] depictions of death on you all (even though I think Simberg’s skellingtons are super-adorbs & I urge you to check out his The Garden of Death where the central skelly is absolutely [Not-]Living His Best [Non-]Life; & Pratchett’s DEATH absolutely [music with] rocks [in]!).
Look after yourself pet Flowers

@10brokengreenbottles
Hello BrewCake
Am sorry you’re worrying about your DD2 going back to Uni. As I posted a while back thread there’s a chance the Astra Zeneca vaccine might be ready by September, so it might be that you’ll not be without her for so long. Has her university announced labwork will definitely be restarting in September/has she been told by her supervisor? Everything in academia is pretty up in the air at the moment - I don’t know if you’ve seen the HUGE drama there’s been over people ignoring the clear statement issued by Cambridge that for 2020-2021 lectures will be online but supervisions will continue as usual & small-group teaching will continue as usual as far as is possible? Press release was totally clear that it was only lectures & that core teaching would still happen in person (with distancing measures). They’ve since had to issue umpteen clarifying statements because people decided to interpret it as meaning all teaching would be online. So the university have issued clarifications; the masters & principals have; the Colleges have; the Chancellor has; the faculties have; & the Alumni Association has - going to the press, to current students, to former students; to academics; & plastered all over social media. It’s caused a nightmare for other institutions. But yes, things may continue to be all online for some time yet while unis work out how to manage distancing & prioritising lab access & safe staffing etc.
Am so sorry your DS1 is struggling so much. Has he access to any online support?
I know it’s not much, but if it’s any reassurance, team sports won’t be happening for anyone for a while yet so your DS2 isn’t being/won’t be being kept from them [for some considerable time]. Totally understand he’s still missing them & would benefit from them & that’s rubbish, but at least there’s not feeling of missing OUT on them, iyswim?
Am sorry you’ve had to miss your holiday. I was meant to be visiting my twinthing (not actual twin; uni friend who shares my birthday + is same height as me + also did German for translation exam in first year + is woodwind player + also went to comp...) in Australia next month. No idea when that will come off now... Missing out is hard. Hope you’ll be able to rearrange into something special once it’s safe.

@Potentialmadcatlady
Really hope this doesn’t sound patronising, because I know that things don’t always translate well, but I believe enough in what I’m saying to risk it. I hope you’re really proud of your son having that trust in you. And having managed to advocate for him & provide a level of care such that he has beaten the odds. And for putting his needs over & above your ex-H’s desire to have a “normal” child & the immense damage he would have been willing to do your son to try to maintain that illusion-delusion. It’s so clear when you post that you’re really devoted to your children & to protecting their interests (& atm trying to navigate the difficulties of shielding late teens, balancing keeping them safe with not scaring them senseless). I think you’re taking totally the right stance with your DD, for what it’s worth: you’re looking at what she needs most just now & not trying to cling on to her because it’s what you want. Not easy to do. I hope you can manage plenty of FaceTime/Zoom/Google Hangout/Skype calls when she goes back.
Flowers

@FuzzyPuffling
The footage from coastal areas has been really shocking. As soon as the shops open again London will be HEAVING. Not the public transport is able to cope with the people who’ve had to go back to work (or, you know, lose their jobs) as it is. In lots of the city you literally CAN’T socially distance because the pavements are so narrow. Whole thing is a nightmare. And while in some ways it’s excellent that supermarkets have now been told they need to provide disabled people with online shopping slots, if they’re not actually going to put any checks in place we’re going to end up with the shielding group once again struggling massively to get food delivered because heaps of people are claiming they need priority slots. I also didn’t think that people with disabilities were being disadvantaged by the system that was in place. Not to the point that supermarkets would be required to make further adjustments, anyway. It’s not as if there are normally priority slots available; & you don’t have to be shielding to request help from a mutual aid group. Really not convinced they’ve thought through adding any & all disabled people who ask to the priority list. But can’t exactly say that in most spaces...

@OneNightTimeMenaceStrikesBack
Yes, odd how a trip to hospital becomes almost appealing just for the change of scenery. Hope the x-rays go ok & you’ve not too long to wait for your EEG.

IntoTheUnknown89 · 24/05/2020 01:58

Hi Smile Can I join? This will be day 81 at home. I can honestly say I am sick of being at home!!

Anewuser · 24/05/2020 08:45

Thank you @MarieVanGoethem for your kind words. Sorry it’s taken so long but I’ve stayed off MN for a couple of days as I couldn’t read anymore of “shouldn’t have had lockdown, only old and those will pre-existing conditions would have died”, well thanks people but I didn’t think my time was up just yet. Or “all teachers are lazy and should be back to work”, great, well I’ll just catch that little virus like I do every other virus that the children spread then shall I?

Marie - I hope your nephew had a lovely birthday and have everything crossed you get to see your niece for her 10th birthday. I often think I am only borrowing my youngest son. He’s had a rough week so we’ve got through a lot of oxygen but every long night means we have him for another day.

@UnholyStramash, I’m glad your son is feeling better. We’re sad that we can’t be with all our boys but even more of a worry for you when they’re ill.

@Potentialmadcatlady and @10brokengreenbottles. We’re in the same boat, middle son has been back from Uni since the start of lockdown. He’s hating the online learning and it’s impossible to do labs. He starts his second year exams the week after next and is already saying he won’t pass them due to 7 weeks missed work. He needs to move out of one rented house and into another at the beginning of July. He’s been brilliant shielding with us but when he goes back that’ll be it.

@Pops4414 I am so sorry for your loss but I’m also sorry your husband isn’t taken your shielding seriously. You may have to spell it out to him. If he takes your children to the funeral then he has all the childcare to do by himself for 14 days when they return. You’ll need to isolate to protect yourself. My husband is the opposite way, everything is literal so I try to empty the bin and he’ll say the shielding letter says you mustn’t do that. It can be a bit claustrophobic but I’m grateful as he means well.

Thank you for @AuntieSocia1 for starting this thread, it feels like a lifeline at the moment. I hope the AD start to work soon.

Hi to everyone else, I’m not a big poster but I am a big reader.

Stay well.

Potentialmadcatlady · 24/05/2020 12:29

Marie.. your words are very kind and not at all patronising... I am incredibly proud of my Son and the bond we have.. it has been hard earned through many many months/years in hospital when the odds where against..
I honestly I don’t think he would be here if he hadn’t decided to keep fighting for his sister and me..
Anewuser... my DD has to move from one house to another at end of June which is why she is going back.. original plan was for us to go have a holiday in her uni town and help her but sadly that won’t be happening .. it is going to be very hard to let her go this time with all the uncertainly but I know she has too...
I hope everyone is having a peaceful Sunday?