Talk me through this - male on placement with brownies

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The dds have been to the same brownie unit for around 4 years (dd1 waiting to move up to guides). I know the leaders quite well and there has been one staff changeover in that time. The communication with parents has been excellent. I have felt safe letting the dds go on sleepovers knowing that I know all the adults involved. It's actually been brilliant in terms of safeguarding. No surprises or anything parents haven't been informed of. The dds love it. Dd2 is thriving there because it's a small closed group where she feels safe and familiar.

I dropped the dds off this week and a man came up to dd1 touches her shoulder and said 'you're it' I said to brown owl - who is that?? She replied oh it's Dave (not his name obvs). Me - who is Dave??? BO - he's on work placement (something about youth work) . Me - Er is he DBS checked?? BO- yes. Me- Brownies is a girls group!! BO - we have dads helping! No they don't. Not once the whole time we have attended.

Apparently Dave will be there for 4 weeks.

My reaction has been negative. I'm quite annoyed there was no warning of Dave jointing the unit. There have never been 'work placements' before. I think it was be something to do with the church though.

I think parents should have been told. They use a private Facebook group to keep in touch with parents and this works really well so I'm a bit baffled by the surprise!

There you go fascinated

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.kentonline.co.uk/gravesend/news/amp/brownie-groups-suspended-after-grooming-arrest-192900/

I have copied and pasted this thread into a document and I will also send it to GGHQ to show them what a fucked up world we live in where a youth worker, on a placement he'd probably rather not do, is basically being called a sexual abuser because he touched a girl on the shoulder. Because, as the OP makes clear, they were playing a game. The game presumably that has been played since time immemorial where you pat a person on the shoulder when it's their turn to be "it"
Some of you, OP included, should be ashamed of yourselves. Ashamed.
I'm not a mother of boys, but I teach about 150 a week. I've taught for 26 years and am deputy safeguarding lead. Sexual abuse cases statistically 98% happen within the family.
Are all your male relatives dbs'd?

If they go on a residential (which sound unlikely as he is only there a few weeks) males have to have separate sleeping and bathroom facilities to all female member

Unless they say they are of the female gender.

What? They are.

Most men understand that it would make parents very uncomfortable for them to come running up to their kids, to get involved in every single thing to do with children that they could.

Predators rely on the woke brigade wringing their hands and saying 'but men love children too! Nothing wrong with 'Gary' volunteering for every childrens charity under the sun, brownies, scouts, PTA.'

Most men are fine, but until those stats change it is stupid to just turn a blind eye to what most mothers instinctually know.

Most men I know don't want other men around their children constantly either!

Yes poor poor man

I will also send it to GGHQ to show them what a fucked up world we live in

Why would they care?

Tbh this irks me somewhat. I have a DD and a DS who both attend scouts. They have both male and female leaders. My DD has the right to choose to join guides or scouts but my DS doesn't. If my DD attended guides she wouldn't have a male leader, yet my DS has both male and female .
One of the scout main leaders is a 25yo man who is, quite frankly, brilliant. He used to help at guides with his wife but wasn't allowed to take on a formal role, hence they both moved to scouts. He is an amazing role model to all the children, fun, has endless enthusiasm and, most importantly, is loved by all - girls and boys.
Double standards. Their loss, our gain

Don’t be ridiculous, Book. We are not saying that this specific man is a paedophile. We are simply saying that, given that 97odd per cent of paedophiles are men, and that sadly, many girls have had bad experiences with men, OP is not being unreasonable to a) double check that he has had a DBS check and b) to expect some notice of a departure from what has, to date, been the normal practice in her local Brownie Group to allow her and her DD to be prepared for the presence of a man in what she thought would be a female only space.

He has a dbs check

Anecdotal evidence does not disprove the overall picture across the board! Does nobody have any understanding of statistics work?!

Has anyone else noticed how any thread on here that tries to centre women whether it be their concerns or their experiences is jumped on now?

Yep. And it gets on my nerves when people say "I despair for my son" - this isn't about your sons it's about our daughters!

My DD is thriving at a mixed sex school but has had to put up with boys asking if she'd like to suck their cock, boys watching porn on their phones on the school bus and boys discussing graphic sex acts in class. Funnily enough she likes spending her spare time training and competing with her girls only netball team. She doesn't hate boys (or men - DH is a great dad) but she does want some time relaxing with other girls, not boys, not men - girls. And their female coaches.

BookMeOnTheSudExpress yes because they need more woke handmaidens fighting the menz causes don’t we! Right on sister!

It never ceases to surprise me how women woefully miss the point when females ask for female only spaces. It’s not just that they think all men are ‘peados’ - lots and lots of females want female only spaces for their daughters to relax, play and learn with their peers.

Why is that so fucking hard to understand?

It really isn’t a finger point at all males. Why can females not have a tiny corner to themselves?

Poor man, he can't play team games for an hour with Brownies without being suspected of being a paedophile!

Well I don't know if you've noticed this, but paedophile's don't walk around wearing a sign.

Even a DBS check won't tell you that, just that they have no previous convictions.

I could be anything. Dave might need some more volunteering signed off before he could complete his gold duke of Edinbrough or something. Why would this be suspicious?

Won’t SOMEBODY THINK OF THE MENZZZZZ....

I could be anything. Dave might need some more volunteering signed off before he could complete his gold duke of Edinbrough or something.

But why does what Dave needs take precedence over the girls who expect a single-sex space at Brownies?

@Fiberoptic don't be ridiculous. All girls need permanent reminders that men take priority

Newtonpass Could not agree more.

I am so sick of hearing angry responses to threads like this, trying to shame mothers in to believing their views are socially unacceptable.

@Wa1kthisway 'Guiding is a girls only safe space. Could you please report your findings to guiding HQ?' It's not GGHQ allow transgirls (boys) and transwomen (men) in. And don't tell parents.

So your DD may go away on a Brownie camp with a grown man (probably still with penis intact) changing and showering with her in close proximity.

www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/policies/girlguiding-policies/equality-and-diversity-policy/

(Apologies for the DM link, but it's more factual than the woke papers)
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6222859/Guide-leader-says-sacked-telling-bosses-new-transgender-policies-pose-risk.html

Thanks Fiberoptic — that’s so weird, because apparently that never happens ...

Starting to understand how naive most people are. It’s honestly shocking.

Maybe his mummy banned him from Instagram and Snapchat so he had to leave his room to groom kids 🙄

Not all people are cranky.

DBS checks are done but really they are only as good as the day they are done because he could get nicked that night for having indecent images and it would never show unless he was rechecked.

Also weirdo woman roam society as well...

Never heard of Youth Workers having placements in Guides, Brownies, Rainbows, Cubs, Scouts, or Rangers. And I'm a uni qualified Youth Worker and was a Guide Leader.
I wouldn't think its be enough for qualifying.

It everyone is lucky enough to have a male role model in their lives.

I didn't growing up and got a lot from the men that volunteered at guides, choir, my youth club etc.

I don't see an issue at all and think your whole thread is extremely odd.

@mindtheclegs

Your opinion already means nothing after your comment:

and remember, only men can rape
And asking why a transperson would want to work with children/young girls?! Because they're still a person? With their own aims in life to help people?!

Noone is downplaying sexual abuse or "safe female only environments" but its 4 bloody weeks. He would probably rather not be there half the time and I doubt he purposely chose GG just to be around young girls.