Robbie and Ayda new baby. Another surrogacy discussion.

[EachandEveryone]

It fascinates me and thats not to upset everyday folk who are on the journey. They used the same surrogate that carried their little girl that must be just over one year? The poor womans hardly had chance to recover. I know she wasnt forced!

They already have a boy and girl. I dont understand celebs at all. I wonder if it was in the UK or USA? Anyway, Im sure the little one will be very loved thats the main.

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I find it very problematic that poorer women’s wombs are used to gratify the whims of richer women’s.

I hope it doesn’t become an established trend.

It already has in Hollywood.

None of anyone business really

Really? So when society resembles The Handmaids Tale mumto will be walking placard saying "nothing to see here..."
This is your children's normal. It is amoral. And your responsibility to say No! This is wrong.

But never mind mumto however many, your daughter can carry babies for those who can afford her 🤢🤢🤢

Good point Wordmeister. If they were over breading dogs they'd have them taken away.

I don't like it. Not one bit, primarily because I felt that I became a Mother from the moment my DC were conceived, not from the moment they were born.

However, I've never known the heartbreak of infertility, I've never known how it feels to try repeatedly to carry a baby and know I can't. So I can only look at this through the eyes of someone fortunate enough not to have felt those things. Perhaps I'd be more open-minded if I had experienced that.

Wonder when it will be possible to buy an appropriate card for people who use surrogates?

"Congratulations on buying your new baby"

It's not in babies' best interests to be separated from their mothers at birth. It's also horribly exploitative and misogynist. I abhor surrogacy.

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

In what other circumstances does society celebrate ripping a baby from the only home it has ever know immediately following birth?

Animals.

If no fertility issues or inability post 2 then this does make me a little uncomfortable.

Tbf FudgeBrownie Robbie and Ayda don't know the heartbreak of infertility either, they don't have that 'excuse'.

I can understand Ayda not wanting to undergo labour again after Robbie 1)acting like a twat live tweeting videos while she was giving birth to their second and 2) describing what was happening at the business end as like "watching your favourite pub burning down"

Probably just to stop him singing at her during labour again

I know of two surrogates: one, the woman had IVF and miscarriage and IVF and miscarriage over and over, it was really taking its toll every which way, they then - because they could afford to - found a surrogate in the US and have a lovely baby boy. And I'm glad that they were able to.

The second is a close relative who was diagnosed with cervical cancer in her twenties - as a pregnant newlywed. She had to have an abortion in order to start treatment, which included radiation and then a hysterectomy. She's now looking into finding a surrogate - and I really hope that they find one.

People thought IVF was wrong at first. Surrogacy isn't the ideal, just as IVF isn't, but sometimes it s the only option.

None of anyone business really......

It's everyone's business.

But it wasn’t the only option here was it? They already had two babies.

I don't think the reasons for using a surrogate are ever relevant. Either it's morally abhorrent to buy a baby, or it's not. Fourth child, gay, infertility, preserving your figure don't really come into it. Whatever the justification, the consequences are the same.

Spot on Trains

sometimes it's the only option

No. Sometimes people have to come to terms with not being able to have a child. It is a want not a right.

Depends really, Google Rosanna Davidson

Sometimes people have to come to terms with not being able to have a child. It is a want not a right.

I do agree with this to a certain extent but I think for as long as you accept IVF, particularly if you think it should be available on the NHS, you shouldn't argue against surrogacy.

Depends really, Google Rosanna Davidson

I did - I don't see your point?

but I think for as long as you accept IVF, particularly if you think it should be available on the NHS, you shouldn't argue against surrogacy.

Eh? I don't follow your logic here.

So why is Robbie and Ayda getting all the stick?

All this ‘rent a womb’ and ‘buying a baby’. What about the woman who’s selling her services and her baby? Why is she not in the wrong?

Personally I don’t think either parties are wrong. As long as both parties are happy let them get on with it. No judgey pants from me!

I also know a couple who have a lovely child now as a result of surrogacy- they had endured multiple miscarriages and were fortunate enough to be able to afford to have a baby with a surrogate in America. They have maintained a close friendship with the surrogate and she and her family have even been to visit in the UK. The child is generically my friend and her husbands and this is very very clear when you look at him.
I think there should be some restrictions and agree that there is of course a power imbalance however I also think it is patronising to assume that the surrogate has no agency in the process and is unwittingly being exploited.

You either agree that women can try all means available to them to have a child they want, or only women who are able to conceive naturally and carry successfully can have a child.