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You are 100 times more likely to be abused by a step parent than by a biological parent

76 replies

Lardlizard · 29/01/2020 23:14

According to Jordan Peterson
What do you think? Personally I agree with this on the whole of course there are exceptions but as a whole

OP posts:
IHadADreamWhichWasNotAllADream · 29/01/2020 23:22

This is a field I’ve always been somewhat interested in, but I’ve had trouble tracking down solid data, so I’m placemarking for anyone’s comments on what he said, and whether he gave any reliable citations - also whether the ratio differs by sex.

TheMotherofAllDilemmas · 29/01/2020 23:24

So as a whole every single man that has a relationship with a single mum is potentially a rapist?

Here darling, my first Biscuit. Hope you find a way to be more positive about life (and less judgemental about other people)

IHadADreamWhichWasNotAllADream · 29/01/2020 23:27

(I’m not actually expecting reliable citations from Mr P you understand, but you never know)

Also, what do you mean “there are exceptions”? Each individual is either abusive or they’re not, but “More likely” doesn’t require exceptions.

trixiebelden77 · 29/01/2020 23:27

I don’t understand what you mean when you say you agree on the whole?

Do you mean having looked into this you’ve found evidence to support that? Or do you just mean you think it sounds about right.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 29/01/2020 23:29

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DonorConceivedMe · 29/01/2020 23:31

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true, TheMotherofAllDilemmas.

It's called the Cinderella effect and here's a wikipedia article about it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect

Interestingly, not only are children in a step family much more likely to be abused (and even murdered), but they are also far more likely to suffer accidental harm (including death).

This is obviously not to say that all step parents are abusive or neglectful. But it shouldn't be ignored.

I came across this theory because, for the purposes of this sort of study, being donor conceived is equivalent to being in a step family, because there is one genetic parent and one non-genetic parent.

Absolutepowercorrupts · 29/01/2020 23:33

Massive apologies from me I tagged the wrong poster.
@IHadADreamWhichWasNotAllADream. I'm really sorry, very big mistake by me. I should have checked

forkfun · 29/01/2020 23:35

The numbers seem crazy high. A quick Google search suggests it may be 8 to 10 times more likely if you have a stepfather rather than a biological father or no father at all living in the home. www.center4research.org/child-abuse-father-figures-kind-families-safest-grow/

IHadADreamWhichWasNotAllADream · 29/01/2020 23:44

I did wonder what I’d said that was so offensive Smile

WellHolyGodMiley · 29/01/2020 23:46

@TheMotherofAllDilemmas YOU'RE stupid to biscuit that.

it MAY NOT be a palatable truth and the specific number of a hundred might not be exact but you're wrong to dismiss the OP with a biscuit.

Biscuit back to you ffs.

WellHolyGodMiley · 29/01/2020 23:49

I can't stand JP though.

DonorConceivedMe · 29/01/2020 23:54

It's not JP's theory, though WellHoly. It was proposed and developed by other psychologists. He's just quoting.

user1477391263 · 29/01/2020 23:54

JP is the sort of commentator who blatantly makes shit up, so I would not put much trust in those exact figures. However, I think it is well established that the risk of abuse from a SP is several times higher (don't think it's 100 times higher though).

So as a whole every single man that has a relationship with a single mum is potentially a rapist?

Well, technically speaking every single man is potentially a rapist. Most aren't, fortunately.

Cluckyandconfused · 29/01/2020 23:58

I’m not sure about the ‘100 times’ claim, but I’ve read from a number of reputable sources that step parents are statistically much more likely to kill or abuse step children than biological parents.
Not surprising. You only have to glance at the step parent board to see adults dripping with hatred towards vulnerable children. Makes sense that a small percentage of them would act on their dislike.

DonorConceivedMe · 29/01/2020 23:59

He didn't make it up, user, you are making that up about him!

"This most severe category of child maltreatment exhibits Cinderella effects of the greatest magnitude: in several countries, stepparents beat very young children to death at per capita rates that are more than 100 times higher than the corresponding rates for genetic parents.

pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3726/51e41e17bcccc4f900e8046f41ac3f10c712.pdf
The most thorough analyses are for Canada, where data in a national archive of all homicides known to police indicate that children under 5 years of age were beaten to death by their putative genetic fathers
at a rate of 2.6 deaths per million child-years at risk (residing with their fathers) in 1974-1990, while the corresponding rate for stepfathers was over 120 times greater at 321.6 deaths per million child-years at risk (Daly & Wilson 2001). Note that because few small children have stepfathers, this rate differential does not, in itself, convey anything about the absolute numbers of victims; what these rates represent are 74 fatal batterings by genetic fathers in 28.3 million child-years at risk, and 55 by stepfathers in 0.17 million child-years at risk.
Estimates of this sort have not been made for other countries, but it is clear that this immense excess risk to stepchildren is not peculiar to Canada. In England & Wales in 1977-1990, for example, 117
children under five years of age were beaten to death by putative genetic fathers and 103 by stepfathers (Daly & Wilson 1994). As in Canada, the available population-at-large survey data indicate that fewer than 1% of British children of the same age as the victims dwelt with stepfathers, while over 90% dwelt with putative genetic fathers, and so, as in Canada, the difference in per capita rates of such fatal assaults is well over 100-fold."

DonorConceivedMe · 30/01/2020 00:00

Sorry the link was supposed to be at the end but plonked itself in the middle of the quoted passage.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 30/01/2020 00:02

Yep us step parents and all evil bastards. Just ask DSS who chose to live with us over his DM, who was more interested in wine.

BigChocFrenzy · 30/01/2020 00:37

Noone has said "all" stepfathers; it is clearly a very small minority of step-fathers
and there are many more who are excellent ones, the vast majority being at least adequate

However I am shocked at the actual statistics that the per capita rate of murder is well over 100x higher
I knew it was much higher, but guessed at 5-10 x

Then there is the much higher number of accidental deaths - less careful parenting by both adults ?

Those stats are genuinely shocking

choli · 30/01/2020 01:37

DonorConceivedMe
Excellent study.

DonorConceivedMe · 30/01/2020 07:45

Thank you choli.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 30/01/2020 07:49

No doubt there will be loads of step parents coming on here to defend themselves. It's like men coming along to say "not all men" when people talk about sexual violence.

No one is saying it's ALL step parents. Statistics are statistics though. It's one of the reasons I've decided to stay single at least until DS is an adult, which many people may not agree with but I just find it hard to trust anyone.

lazylinguist · 30/01/2020 07:54

Confused Surely the statistic is either true or it's not. Coming onto the thread to say "I hate Jordan Peterson' or giving anecdotal examples like "My stepchild prefers me to his mother" is totally irrelevant.

DonorConceivedMe · 30/01/2020 08:21

Agreed lazylinguist!

fligglepige · 30/01/2020 08:26

I also agree with @lazylinguist, the facts speak for themselves. I grew up in a home with a stepfather and alcohol abuse/dv. I am adamant that if my husband and I split I would never introduce a man into the home while my son is living there.

BigFatLiar · 30/01/2020 08:28

Does it say anything about stepmums?

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