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You are 100 times more likely to be abused by a step parent than by a biological parent

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Lardlizard · 29/01/2020 23:14

According to Jordan Peterson
What do you think? Personally I agree with this on the whole of course there are exceptions but as a whole

OP posts:
WellHolyGodMiley · 30/01/2020 17:55

Link it please @Grobagsforever

Pogmella · 30/01/2020 18:39

Correlation does not mean causation. The more books in your home the more likely you are to succeed academically- regardless of whether anyone reads the books. Having lots of books indirectly means that you probably have a spacious stable home and don’t move house frequently. I would imagine a chaotic home might mean more step fathers present with poorer parenting skills rather than the innate nature of step fatherhood predisposing these men to murder or abuse.

Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 18:59

I know @donor but that research says 7 times more likely not 100! Plus it references other opposing research.

I'm snotty as Wikipedia is not fact checked and nor is the research on it The OP made a Daily Mail claim without evidence, that's not ok.

Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 19:01

@pogmella - from a researcher's perspective your hypothesis is far more sensible and likely. Human behaviour is incredibly complex and multifaceted, many, many factors will contribute to likelihood of abuse.

OP's irresponsible scaremongering has pissed me right off. This is Mumsnet, not the Daily Fail, we're intelligent women who have able to spot fake news

DonorConceivedMe · 30/01/2020 19:25

It says 100 times grobags. I’m on phone so linking tricky but I will do so later.

It’s not crap research just because you don’t like it!

Important conclusion from study linked above:
“It is important to stress that although stepchildren incur elevated risks of abuse and homicide, these dire outcomes are by no means typical. Many, perhaps most, stepparents make positive contributions to the well-being of their stepchildren, and most stepparents and stepchildren evaluate their relationships at least somewhat positively. Nevertheless, steprelationships are difficult, and those who make it their business to help stepfamilies in distress are unanimous in cautioning that it is a mistake to expect that a stepparent-stepchild relationship is, or will with time become, psychologically equivalent to a birthparent-child relationship (e.g., Johnson 1980; Turnbull & Turnbull 1983). Research tells the same story. Duberman (1975), to take a single example, interviewed a select sample of well-established, “successful”, middle class, registered-marriage U.S. stepfamilies, and reported that only 53% of the stepfathers and 25% of the stepmothers felt able to say that they had any “parental feeling” (much less “love”) for their stepchildren. There are literally hundreds of self-help manuals for stepfamily members, and they have a single focus: how to cope with the characteristic conflicts of stepfamily life.”

Pogmella · 30/01/2020 19:27

... might be more likely to be reported/detected aswell

DonorConceivedMe · 30/01/2020 19:28

Following up the points above re confounding factors:

“An obvious example of a possible confound is socioeconomic status: one might hypothesize that the stresses of poverty cause the poor to be especially likely to abuse and kill their children and also to experience high rates of divorce and remarriage, making steprelationship an incidental correlate of abuse. This initially plausible hypothesis has been tested and rejected with respect to Cinderella effects in Canada (Daly & Wilson 1985) and the U.S. (Wilson et al. 1980; Wilson & Daly 1987): in both countries, poverty is indeed a risk factor for child maltreatment, but it is weakly or not at all associated with steprelationship, with the result that having a stepparent and being poor are in large measure independent and additive (“orthogonal”) predictors of the risk that a child will be abused. Other confound hypotheses that have been tested and rejected are that the differences between stepparent families and genetic parent families might be byproducts of differences in parental age and/or family size; such differences are in fact small and make negligible contributions to Cinderella effects (e.g. Daly & Wilson 1985).”

WellHolyGodMiley · 30/01/2020 19:31

It's not fake news though.

Pogmella · 30/01/2020 19:34

@DonorConceivedMe these are really polar opposites. Of course no one wants a step child to abuse a child, but it also seems an unreasonable leap to demand they love the child as their own (particularly if the biological parent is alive and well and has a healthy relationship with the child)

The reality for most blended families is I’m sure somewhere in between those poles and expecting either abuse or love is pretty extreme

Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 19:35

@donor - here you go, in plain English, the cited research says 7 TIMES.

You are 100 times more likely to be abused by a step parent than by a biological parent
Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 19:36

@wellholly - yes it is! Read what I posted!!

Verily1 · 30/01/2020 19:38

Read serious case reviews into child deaths- there is a paperback there of bio dad not living with mum.

Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 19:38

@pogmella - exactly. Not having the same genetic bond doesn't mean there will be abuse. It's fine for a step parent to 'only' love a step child as much as say, a friend. They can be kind and have a good relationship.

Verily1 · 30/01/2020 19:38

Pattern!

Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 19:40

@verily1 - I'm sorry what on Earth are you on about? You once read a book where someone died and the biological father didn't live with the mother? And?

Pogmella · 30/01/2020 19:40

The title also irks me. Cinderella is a french fairytale and at the time of writing the eldest blood child would have inherited the entire estate and the step mother nothing. As a single woman she had no income and would have needed to secure good marriages for her daughters. She didn’t hate Cinderella, she was shafted by patriarchal laws about inheritance...

Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 19:41

@pogmella - interesting.

DD's think Cinderella is ridiculous anyway, they cannot comprehend any woman needing a man to rescue her GrinGrinGrin

BingoLittlesUncle · 30/01/2020 19:44

Don't believe it. That's a suspiciously round number and where would you get any reliable data on a subject like that? If it shows anything, it is presumably that the taboo of incest is still a strong one.

Alpacathebag · 30/01/2020 19:47

@TheMotherofAllDilemmas there is more than one kind of abuse, sexual abuse is not the only harm that can come to a child from a step parent.

DonorConceivedMe · 30/01/2020 19:48

LOL that you link to wiki having turned your nose up at it grobags.

WellHolyGodMiley · 30/01/2020 19:51

Jordan Peterson said 100 times ? well that was wrong. But I don't think that what Jordan Peterson says is ''news''.

I said upthread that I didn't think 100 times was right but it is true that a child is at more risk from a step parent than from a parent.

It's sad but it's true. I"m a single parent, I might have considered a serious relationship if life had dealt me that hand. Who knows. I'm not judging you if you're a single parent who remarried.

As @Pogmella says, I understand that it's not causation.

No point slamming on me for acknowledging that there is a difference though.

WellHolyGodMiley · 30/01/2020 19:53

@pogmella, that does give and interesting lens to look through the original Cinderella story.

FrivolousPancake · 30/01/2020 19:55

I surprised anyone is surprised!

Grobagsforever · 30/01/2020 20:10

Yes @donor because it's the research you were referencing.

I was correct

DonorConceivedMe · 30/01/2020 23:44

Think we were talking at cross purposes grobags. The research says children are 100 times more likely to be killed by a stepfather than a father. pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3726/51e41e17bcccc4f900e8046f41ac3f10c712.pdf
The 7x figure you're quoting is about abuse more generally. Sorry for misunderstanding you.

I found this paragraph even more shocking than the statistics on murder. Stepchildren are, in general, discriminated against in economic terms:
"In light of the theoretical ideas that we espoused at the beginning of this review and facts like those recounted above, we long ago proposed that violence against stepchildren would prove to be the atypical and extreme “tip of the iceberg” of a more ubiquitous discrimination. A wide variety of recent research in diverse disciplines has now demonstrated that this is indeed the case.

Econometric analyses of large data bases such as the U.S. Panel Study of Income Dynamics provide one sort of evidence: controlling for the family’s economic means, U.S. stepchildren receive reduced investment in the form of support for higher education, routine medical and dental care, and even food (e.g. Case et al. 2000; Case & Paxson 2001; Zvoch 1999). Surveys that ask people directly about parental support tell the same story: according to both the parents and the children, stepparents withhold investment relative to genetic parents (e.g. Anderson et al. 1999a,b; White 1994). Also of interest in this context is Ferri’s (1984) finding that both the mothers and stepfathers in British stepfamily homes expressed low aspirations for the children’s education, lower even than those of single mothers of lesser means."

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