Stop preaching and shoving veganism in my face. Enough now

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Just found out a Vegan documentary was preached at my teenager at youth club
It's a choice grown adults should be allowed to make. But such a restrictive diet should not be preached at growing children who could also be vulnerable to eating problems.
I've never preached my diet at anyone but this has been shoved in my face continuously. Judgement when I order animal products in restaurants, advertising, now my rapidly growing young son is to eat without milk, cheese, eggs, butter etc
I'm absolutely fuming
There is no hard science to back the health benefits. The environmental impact is dubious.
Sure I understand if you are an animal lover but that's still an individual choice.

Being vegan is an ethical choice and lifestyle.

I mean I am worried for your blood pressue when you're this upset about dietary choices. I save my anger for the establishment but YDY. Not sure what it has to do with us being women though.

Almost all bread is vegan. It's flour, water, salt, yeast. At least get your facts straight before you start frothing

The diet industry is hugely influencial. It is corporations. I too save my anger for justified causes

BP is fine thanks

Agree with Permanant Temporary ideas and others , its bloody hard enough buying groceriesand preparing meals to support nutitional diets for the growing bodies in the house , let alone preparing meat free egg fee dairy free meals seperately for one

I think I’d have to see the programme and also understand how it was discussed before I could agree with you entirely, OP. If it was the equivalent of a party political broadcast for veganism I would be annoyed. If it was a balanced look at the pros and cons, on the other hand, that would be fine.

I see that many on the thread have referenced the alleged health and environmental benefits of veganism/plant-based diets. These are not actually evidenced nearly as robustly as they are presented, in fact there is evidence in favour of a meat-based diet being healthier than those high in grains and seeds. Even the evidence for red meat causing cancer isn’t particularly robust, and it usually isn’t mentioned that while it appears it may raise the incidence of bowel cancer, it appears to lower the incidence of other cancers, including breast and prostate. A recent study showed stroke risk was lowest in those who consume the highest levels of saturated fat.

Ivor Cummins, Alan Watson, Nina Teicholz and many others tweet interesting info on this, for those that want to take a further look.

Being vegan is not a restricted diet. Nor does it lead to eating disorders.

Why is it okay for schools to teach kids to get calcium from milk, to teach kids to get protein from chicken etc but wrong for them to teach them alternative ways?

I don't feel guilty in the slightest. I'm not in denial etc. Veganism is a lifestyle choice. Not a scientifically proven healthy or morally sound alternative. Absolute bollocks to being superior because you eat no dairy

Oh dear. Have you been living under a rock? YES veganism is healthier and morally the better decision. Just because you don’t like that fact it doesn’t mean it’s less true 😂

Your son is an individual and should be allowed to make his own decisions on what diet he wants to follow. He goes to school to learn and so unless you remove him from the school to home teach him, you cannot police his education

I agree OP
Children should be taught about healthy eating, not given information on restrictions of diets where they may fall down a rabbit hole of misunderstanding how to follow such a diet safely and well. It's a bit like giving someone a car and telling them to drive around the world but not teaching them to drive or how a car works or what it needs to work ... then walking away

Eating meat and animal products has been shoved in people's faces far more than veganisn.

Toileshunt
What's the name of the study' showing that stroke risk is lowest in those eating the highest amount of saturated fat?

Do the people who bleat on about the 'multi million dollar vegan industry' ever stop and think about how their thinking has been influenced by the incredibly powerful and well funded meat and dairy industries?

I just ignore all the vegan adverts, etc,. It'll all did down shortly when January is over, then we can go back to normal. 😉

influenced by the incredibly powerful and well funded meat and dairy industries?

Im influenced by my taste buds
Meat and dairy taste good, simple.

I'd not be happy about a specific diet being shown, be that vegan, the 5.2 diet, Atkins, whatever. A balanced diet with all food groups is the best base. Let the b.s of moralizing food come into it once they adults.

Die down...not did down! 😐

@squeekums that fact you consider dairy a food group, or part of a balanced diet (post weaning age) suggests you have indeed had your opinions shaped by that industry.

It's just not needed. The majority of adult humans are lactose intolerant. Yeah it has calcium, but so do lots of other foods, or you could pop a supplement just like the many deficient non-vegans do (that also goes for B12).

You may love cheese and that's your prerogative, but please don't argue that anyone else is missing out by giving it a swerve.

Totally agree but vegans are often more concerned with climate change than health.

@BinkyandBunty well considering i dont like many veg (taste and texture issues )and think its stupid to suppliment if there no reason to. I could buy overpriced calcium suppliments or a much cheaper milk, yoghurt or cheese, which also taste great.
I have no physical issue with dairy, so no need to cut it. Given I'm allergic to seafood, I know the signs of food not being good for my body

Just like vegans have their opinion, which they have no issue screaming, why shouldn't I be allowed to say in my opinion it's missing out on a great joy.
Like yeah if you don't like the taste you wouldnt eat it but to like it and not eat it just for some vegan ego trip or whatever to me is crazy. Then to berate others for not doing the same is stupid.

I don't find vegans to be overbearing at all.

With anyone in life, there are always a couple who are radical just the same as there are those who are aggressively against veganism.

For example one vegan I know said whilst we were eating that she couldn't even be veggie as milk cheese and eggs are disgusting because they're bodily functions.

True but I find eating fungus (mushroom) pretty disgusting too.

Calm down 😂

It hasn't converted him, veganism is all over the internet, depending on the quality of the documentary, it's probably positive to show teens it to counteract some of the rubbish they see online. Apps like tiktok are far more dangerous for teens regarding ED than a documentary informing them of different viewpoints and ways of living.

The lady doth protest too much...

here we go again. Veganism always seems to bring the arseholes out...and I mean from both sides of the argument.

Seriously OP your son hasn't been indoctrinated. He doesn't even want to be vegan, so why are you getting so angry about this? Maybe it was shown because other kids had expressed an interest? I doubt very much it was a blatant attempt to 'preach'. I don't see any harm in letting people know where their food comes from so they can make an informed choice.

As a long time vegetarian who eats vegan food as a matter of course without labelling it as such, lentil and bean based dishes making up a large part of my diet I am more impressed that you have a youth club!
Why don’t you contact the youth workers and ask them to set up a debate about diet choices? You could represent those who are omnivores, there could be vegan and vegetarian representatives etc.
Some people could argue for religious restrictions.
I would have loved that back in my youth work days. It’s such an under estimated profession that contributes so much to young people’s lives
And it is being decimated
youth service cuts

Sorry to derail
By the way, will maybe start a thread when I am officially awake!