Paula Yates as represented in the Michael Hutchens doc

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I only caught up with this the other day and felt that Paula Yates didn't get a particularly even handed representation. She behaved badly to her ex husband and doesn't deserve any medals for that.
Apart from anything, the relationship was compressed into a couple of minutes. Their relationship was probably more high profile than lengthy but she had a child with him yet the details seemed so rushed through and there was a lot to take in.
No one spoke on her behalf. The voices of the other women were heard but it seemed that there wasn't anyone there for her so no account of what happened for her went unremarked.
The media were absolute trash to them both and the awful clip of her on HIGNFY was shown. They were both hounded so horribly.
It was all a horrible car crash but so many people were damaged and I felt sorry for her kids having to watch that 2D version of her.
I know she is and was divisive but has she or will she ever be rehabilitated?

It's scary how Peaches' death almost mirrors her mother's.

Yes I remember her perfect housewife phase. Doesn't mean it was true. Her daughter did exactly the same thing and that was obviously untrue.

Such a mess. I remember all the hoo ha over adopting Tiger Lily and Michaels family wanting her. Paula Yates had said no to that and it was all played out in public.

It's generally believed he introduced her to drugs. He drank a lot, took a lot of drugs. He had a very very strong personality. I suspect he was a lot to handle.

There's no suggestion that MH got any of his other girlfriends including Kylie and Helena into drugs, but you're blaming him for the fact grown adult who had been around the industry for years took heroin.

I think PY was a pleaser and more than desperate to hold on to him and if that meant joining in, then she did. It's about her lack of real self and putting men on pedestals. She didny have a robust enough centre to hold out around MH. Not an excuse but maybe a reason in a.o get other factors some of which include shitty choices she made

The press were vicious to her, I remember seeing a cover of some sad "lads mag" with a pic of Helena Christiansen on the cover, the headline was "would you swap this for Paula Yates?". Apparently Helena was appalled and rang Paula to say she didn't know they where gonna do that and was very sorry it had upset her.

Interesting how the thread has gone from someone who chased a man stating to his manager that she would have him (or whatever) to a vulnerable woman who was changed by him.

The press were vicious to her, I remember seeing a cover of some sad "lads mag" with a pic of Helena Christiansen on the cover, the headline was "would you swap this for Paula Yates?"

They were a lot more vicious to her then MH, even though he'd also cheated (although there weren't kids involved with HC and MH).

I remember with the Rebecca Loos scandal that a lot of people blamed Posh rather than DB and it is misogyny, whatever your take on it is. A man who'd cheated on his family wouldn't have got half the crap that PY got and none of us knows what goes on behind closed doors.

If the discussion hadn't progressed then what would be the point of it? Like I said. There was so much to this relationship, the 5 or 10 minutes devoted to it in the documentary was not sufficient to cover all the factors involved.
It wasnt a case of 1 party entirely to blame. And between the 2 of them they were really bad for one a other. She was not everything she was said to have been in the media.

@RamonaFlower agree it was misogyny. Weren't the press trying to pin the reason that Beckham cheated, on the fact that Posh didn't move to Spain. There was a "so what else would you expect him do?" narrative going on in the press at the time too.

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Its not a complaint about the thread.

It is more about the complete shift in dynamics. She has gone from hated to victim, from having responsibility for her actions to being changed by her partner, and its all the fault of misogyny.

When the truth is somewhere in between.

read her autobiography years ago and at the time she didn’t even drink, much less do drugs

Very very doubtful. That is what she said.

I've just watched it , I had no idea he had a brain injury and always thought he died in a second game gone wrong . So sad and such a waste . No mention of the taxi driver who hit him . I hope he was punished .

I watched Mystify this morning and thought it was clear that MH's suicide was down to his brain injury plus his tumultuous personal life. He was seeing other women whilst PY was in the UK wrangling with Bob in the courts too. All very messed up.

It seems like she just won't be forgiven for the line, 'I'm going to have him'. It always comes up, like she was some kind of predator who wasn't otherwise vulnerable. So what if she said it. How many men say, 'I saw her and I told my mate 'I'm going to marry that girl''? And it's all romantic. Paula Yates didn't get into a relationship with Michael against his will!

She was a nightmare - a woman with little talent whose career was which man she was in a relationship with.

When with Bob Geldof she made her living selling herself as the perfect mother, so I think the backlash when she broke up her family and left drugs lying around their flat was understandable

Our view (in that I mean society, all of us, media etc) has shifted considerably since 2000. We would not be as accepting of the treatment she received in the press in 2020.

There would be criticism, yes. And I wonder would it be more constructive? Would she be less able to manipulate the facade? Would there be more leaks?
Would SS involvement take her own safety and the kids into mind?

Women dont stand for the shit anymore and demand men own some of the mess they helped to create.

Katie Price gets coated day after day but there are those who will defend her and ask where are all the men now? We empathise with her rather than sympathise and hope she gets the help she needs. Also another one who was the architect of some her chaos but maybe a bit tougher than PH? She also had a rough time in the past but I feel it is tempered a little.

Sagrada, again it’s not being sexually predatory or determined to have someone that’s the issue - it’s that she did that while in a relationship with someone else who she had a child with. A man doing that would get short shift on here.

Also it annoys me that I just think she was a selfish person and awful parent (with contributing factors to that of course) but criticising a woman must be just misogyny. It’s not - I’m pretty feminist and for example it never occurred to me to blame posh for becks cheating, or other similar examples.

@CatInTheDaytime it might not have occurred to you to blame Posh but she got an absolute slating in the press. I remember one of the papers doing a poll as to who was to blame for the affair and the overwhelming majority blamed VB. As if your husband shagging another woman wasn't bad enough.

Neither PY or MH were blameless (and again, I'm not condoning her behaviour) but the media absolutely went to town on Yates in a way that wouldn't have happened if it was a man doing it.

Cat it's all speculation, apparently the relationship was dead in the water and Bob was an arse, cheating on both sides. Who knows? Michael was a cheater, too.
When anyone man or woman comes on here pathetically whining about cheating on a partner, I never condone it. But that's when it comes from the horse's mouth and they give a (full, usually narcissistic rambling) background for context.

Yes I know the press are misogynistic and blame women unfairly.

What channel was it on?

The MH doc is on BBC iplayer. Probably still available

Bob G not entirely a stranger to the relationship overlap either, according to his Wiki page
"Before they were married, the couple had their first daughter, Fifi Trixibelle Geldof, born 31 March 1983 (and while Geldof was still conducting an affair with Claire King)"