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Would you have voted Labour if they had a different leader?

88 replies

FilthyBiscuit · 13/12/2019 01:25

Ok, I'm sorry for another election thread, but DP and me are discussing tonight's results and whether Brexit or Jeremy Corbyn are why Labour are losing so many seats. I know things are not so simple and of course anti-semitism has been such a huge issue as well, but I am just interested in whether if JC had been replaced by someone else if it would have made a difference.

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Noname9 · 13/12/2019 07:11

Couldn’t vote for labour because their policies were just .......insane. Renationalisation, GRA and the promise that for an extra £10 a month for those in the top 5% income bracket they would provide free everything! That’s even less credible than the bloody brexit £350 million bus. Also genuinely scared of the Momentum stranglehold kicking out long standing labour activists and women. Corbyn is the policies so yes, he is the reason I didn’t vote Labour

LargeAndInCharge · 13/12/2019 07:13

Good God no, not with those policies

kingsassassin · 13/12/2019 07:18

I wouldn't have voted for labour anyway because of their policies -

Nationalisation - sounds great, but if the nationales water industry pollutes the government doesn't pay a fine and may or may not clean it up. If there's a choice between investment in repairs and maintenance and feeding the nhs, the nhs will win every time.

Thé 10% of companies to be handed to the workers (and government) - difficult to do legally unless properly compensated which would be unaffordable.

I'd only have voted labour for the second referendum.

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donquixotedelamancha · 13/12/2019 07:22

Yes, presuming that any other leader would:

a) Not be determined to scrap women's rights.
b) Not pursue such a radical economic agenda.
c) Be more effective on anti-Semitism.

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 13/12/2019 07:23

Yes. I always have in the past (although it's pointless in my constituency). I could not vote for Corbyn.

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 13/12/2019 07:24

Actually, I would caveat that with the fact that I believe their policies would have been more realistic without him.

sandyfoot · 13/12/2019 07:24

Yes. Labour lost the election for themselves. Boris Johnson had an open goal. Please don't let Corbyn hang around now.

Inforthelonghaul · 13/12/2019 07:47

I think I would have voted labour had it been a Blair style party. Everything I listened to during this election debate sounded so ridiculously unrealistic or so old school socialist that I couldn’t even consider it.

I listened to so much political debate during the election and can honestly say that I heard nothing from the Labour leader that made me feel he cared passionately about anything but especially our country and that made me sad. If our leaders aren’t proud of us...........

DonKeyshot · 13/12/2019 07:59

According to BBC news, the Labour Party expect to have a new leader "sometime in the spring".

From what JC has said, he intends to continue as leader until his successor has been elected. That should make Prime Minister's question time interesting.

hopscotchz · 13/12/2019 08:01

Yes, I didn't vote for the tories, but couldn't vote for labour with JC and momentum in charge

JoyceJames · 13/12/2019 08:05

He was quite popular last time round I think his failure to challenge the Tories over the last few years has been a disaster. He starts look fuzzy. Also , it was a mistake not to signal clearly what his Brexit opinion was.

ByAppointmentTo · 13/12/2019 08:09

No. Would never vote Labour.

lovelyupnorth · 13/12/2019 08:12

More about the nuts far left agenda then Corbyn himself. And I did vote labour but didn’t want them to win and LibDems here had no chance. They need to rid themselves of the Momentum element and move towards the centre.

I believe 48% of the country didn’t really have anyone to vote for they where all a shower of shit and was glad to see Swinson loosening her seat as the LibDems also had some stupid polices.

Comefromaway · 13/12/2019 08:15

I’d have voted Labour if their policies were more moderate which I think they would have been under a different leader.

I work in an area where in the past you could have put an ape in as candidate and labour would have been voted in. Today it is Tory.

Talking to colleagues yesterday (the firm is a building firm) they were all voting for Brexit and their jobs. They believed that Labour would cause small and medium businesses to fold. They couldn’t care less about anti semitism here (sadly there is slot of racism)

I have to admit I’m surprised though.

Fizzypoo · 13/12/2019 08:21

I actually like JC and his manifesto but was frustrated that he came into this election as leader. Starmer would have wiped the floor with boris and we would have woken up to a labour Gov.

I don't know why he continued being leader when he wasn't popular with the public. Surely getting austerity and boris out was more important than being the leader.

NameChangeNugget · 13/12/2019 08:22

The issue was two fold. Absolutely batshit, undeliverable policies, fronted by the most ineffective leader of the opposition since Michael Foot.

For me to rejoin the party, we need a more centralist left outlook, with a strong leader at the helm.

howells · 13/12/2019 08:24

Possibly, depending on the details in their manifesto. Not that it would have made a difference where I live - very safe Tory seat.

Ereshkigal · 13/12/2019 08:24

The leader, Momentum, bigotry, a membership which resembles a zealous cult, opaque rules and systems, trans women are women - all this and more prevented me from voting Labour.

Same here.

yellowallpaper · 13/12/2019 08:31

Not if the policies had been Momentum led Marxist ones. If it was moderate but socialist, yes, but those MPs have been kicked out

kenandbarbie · 13/12/2019 09:50

No, because momentum would still be there. If the whole party was more centre left, maybe.

kenandbarbie · 13/12/2019 09:52

I voted labour in 1997, that was the only time.

ShinyGiratina · 13/12/2019 10:25

I could potentially vote for a centreist Labour government.

Not nationalisation.
Not unrealistic give aways of swathes of public money and mounting national debt.

I left teaching in 2016, the Gove years and the resulring rapid escalation of workload just rendered it impossible for me to meet the increasingly exacting requirements to meet the criteria to be a Good/ Outstanding teacher and to be an adequate mother. Motherhood won. Many of the ills that drove me out of teaching had their roots in the New Labour years, but were then greatly exacerbated by Gove's policies.

New Labour was a mixed blessing. Early interventions in Sure Start were positive. I went into teaching in the early 00s when teachers were being encouraged and improvements such as PPA being introduced to manage workload. The increasing dominance of teaching to league tables/ SATs/ GCSE targets had its roots then and the introduction of academisation and schools in challenging circumstances constantly being in fear for their survival.

It's not a simple case of throwing money to solve problems. What is unnecessarily beaurocratic? What genuinely adds value? The data and back-covering that finished me off was not about money. It was about a culture of political fear. Although funding for TAs to support my SN son and sufficient glue sticks wouldn't go amiss.

I'm sure my story is relatable in other areas across the public sector.

I am politically open to any broadly middle-ground party. I look at each election on its own merits. Yesterday I held my nose and voted with a semi-spoil message to a minority party, mainly because in my safe seat it mattered not a jot.

I want an efficient, effective country.
Where the vulnerable are supported and enabled to thrive.
Where professionals are trusted and valued, not driven to the ground.
Where there is value in success.
Where there is respect.

If Labour can produce a realistic vision, I'll listen.

MurrayTheMonk · 13/12/2019 11:38

I did. In an attempt to vote tactically which failed (as I knew it would really). But yes I think they would have stood a chance of getting somewhere if they had had anyone else as leader.
I'm now considering joining the Labour Party so I get a say in whose next, as I fear we are going to need a strong (any?) opposition more than ever. I want Momentum out so we have at least a chance of getting one. I'd like Jess Philips off they top of my head.
The seeds of this were sown in the whole wrong Milliband debacle. How much different could it have been if David has got it rather than Ed, or even Andy Burnham....

MadeleineMaxwell · 13/12/2019 11:43

Yes. In a nutshell. But not another Bromentum bloke.

Lionso · 13/12/2019 12:06

Yes, I could. But Labour would really need to get rid of the whole momentum group not just Corbyn. Alan Johnson was 100% correct in what he said last night.