Why don't they get rid of Corbyn?

[Mallowmarshmallow]

I realise this might be a totally naive question.....but wouldn't labour be in with more of a chance without Corbyn.....so why don't they get rid of him?

I've wondered that too but not sure of the answer. Is it his relationship with the Unions?

I wish they'd get a female leader! Somebody to vote for against Boris the misogynist

Because the membership is controller by the extremist Momentum group and they won’t get rid. He is the other parties best asset

So following on from the point about Momentum- surely they must realise that Corbyns media image is a liability and undermines their position with the electorate. So why do they continue to support him and jeopardise their chances of winning the election? Or am I being too simplistic about it?

I’ve been saying this for years! If Labour was lead by a different person they would have easily won the last GE.

Reasons are mainly because JC and momentum have turned away from the traditional Labour voter, they don’t listen or engage with the working classes anymore, (one of the reasons in my opinion why Leave won- it was a protest vote for the people in this country who feel they have no political voice).

For me personally (grew up very poor in northern wc town, now lower middle class) the main reason why I don’t like Corby is his support of ‘sex work is work’ and his view that TWAW. If I see him giving blowjobs to pay bills and having sex with a TW I would probably have more respect for his views at least even if I didn’t agree.

It must be soul-destroying being a reasonable, modern, feminist, thinking labour MP at the moment and having to either leave Labour or sit out this Corbyn nightmare. He's just so crap, politically incompetent, stubborn and a PR disaster. They can't get rid because of how their party works and how the leader is elected - it's been fully hijacked by an outdated form of militant, woke far-leftism. And I'm a lefty socialist myself but it's just entirely the wrong approach and he's the wrong person. Pisses me right off because I was frustrated when Ed Miliband wouldn't come out and fly an unashamed socialist flag properly - it's what we needed - but not like this! Agree it needs to be a modern and even better female leader.

If only it were easy. They thought he was just making up the numbers and look where that got them.

Because the majority of Labour Party Membership are idiotic Corbyn supporters

Apparently they are grass route labour voters yep shall see how that plays out in the election

It’s too late for this election now to get another leader

What momentum have done to Labour is heartbreaking. The rot set in when the wrong Miliband was elected leader.

Labour is now very much the party of the urban middle class

They tend to know what is better for the working class and they have a leader that knows what’s best for them too

Not taking any blame away from the sodding Tories, but think how different the last few years could have been despite the Tories, if we'd had a strong and effective opposition.

I sometimes do wonder if JC doesn't get much media time and therefore comes across as a PR disaster because of his socialist views, and the big rich media companies don't want to give him any positive coverage in case he becomes popular and gets elected and this could effect their cushty set-up. I think the media are all about the rich and powerful because this is what they are, and they support and give media coverage to those who they can eventually benefit from.

It’s true, I would vote labour if it wasn’t for him. As it’s stands I intend to cot Lib Dem, which to some is a wasted vote as labour are the only real contenders to the Conservatives. But I just detest Corbyn, probably more than Boris actually

Labour won’t get rid of Corbyn because the party is now controlled by the hard left faction, who don’t care about winning. Never have, never will. As an ex-Labour activist, I should know. They do care about ideology, Palestine and maintaining control of the party.

Labour won’t get rid of Corbyn because the party is now controlled by the hard left faction, who don’t care about winning. Never have, never will. As an ex-Labour activist, I should know. They do care about ideology, Palestine and maintaining control of the party

Totally agree as long as labour are to the left and stick to that is all that matters not that they could move more to the centre gain more voters and actually be in power to be able to make changes to support the people they claim to care about so much

More are happy protesting than actually working at implementing changes - it’s lazy politics

Because when we had Ed Milliband (and Brown, Blair and others prior), Labour was accused of being too centrist/tory-like and not representative of the working classes, which is one of the main reasons they brought Corbyn in, with his left wing vision and to take the party back to its grass roots.

It annoys me when people say ‘I’d love to vote for labour but...’ as if they are actively trying to find reasons not to vote for them. If you don’t want to vote for labour and prefer the alternative which is another 5 years of dark Tory rule and a crash out Brexit then that’s fine, at least be honest about it.

I sometimes do wonder if JC doesn't get much media time and therefore comes across as a PR disaster because of his socialist views, and the big rich media companies don't want to give him any positive coverage in case he becomes popular and gets elected and this could effect their cushty set-up. I think the media are all about the rich and powerful because this is what they are, and they support and give media coverage to those who they can eventually benefit from.

That's a reasonable supposition but he manages it on his own anyway. PMQs is filmed, you can see him, he stands there and repeatedly fails to address, never mind skewer, the tories' multiple fuck-ups, lying and hypocrisy, and it's there on a plate for him. He just retreats into a few badly written sound bites and extreme policies designed to grab headlines. And no one is making him be so spectacularly hopeless on the anti-semitism issue, there's coverage of that and every opportunity for him to be seen dealing with it.

General election records of Labour leaders since 1979:

Callaghan : Played 1; Won 0; Lost 1
Foot : P 1; W 0; L 1
Kinnock : P 2; W 0; L 1
Blair : P 3; W 3; L 0
Brown : P 1; W 0; L 0
Miliband : P 1; W 0; L 0
Corbyn : P 1; W 0; L 0

So, to summarise:
Blair : P 3; W 3; L 0
Everybody else : P 7; W 0; L 7

Conclusion: Labour can win, but only from the centre ground and only with a leader who is viewed by mainstream voters as a credible potential Prime Minister.

I’m not sure - I’m no expert but I think whilst he has alienated some more moderate/centre left labour supporters he has also brought more young people into the party and got a lot of support amongst members?
I’m someone that has voted labour in the past but doesn’t feel able to at the moment. That’s due to JC but also their woolly Brexit stance, though I appreciate it’s tricky for them because of some labour heartlands that feeling strongly about leaving.

Corbyn has a lot of supporters, especially younger voters.

@agelikewine is spot on. As a current labour activist, we've resisted it to a large extent in our constituency but they are so many people who've joined up and they don't actually want to put the work in to achieve a labour government but they turn out in droves to vote for rule changes that benefit them.

Corbyn has a lot of supporters because there's a vacuum at the left end of politics, and everyone more left than centrist is drawn to whoever stands up for it. They like Corbyn because he's left, not because he's any good. A better leader who could actually do politics and was modern left not just old left, would still get the support.

The thing about Blair IMO is that despite winning by appearing to be centrist and riding on New Labour, he was actually socialist in his policies, in a kind of under the radar way. Brought in the minimum wage for example. Iraq was his downfall and dick move but apart from that he got it right.

A good labour leader could win huge support now by being merciless with the tories and showing them up.

I will vote for Labour anyway as he’s not a dangerous twat like Boris, but I agree-another leader would be better. Keir would be great.

another leader and another home secretary would give them more of a chance

@Newbiemumsy66 can you name some things that JC has done that are worse than BJ? Right-wing media headlines don’t count btw.