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Why don't they get rid of Corbyn?

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Mallowmarshmallow · 31/10/2019 11:15

I realise this might be a totally naive question.....but wouldn't labour be in with more of a chance without Corbyn.....so why don't they get rid of him?

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megletthesecond · 31/10/2019 16:16

I despair of Labour under Corbyn. His stubbornness isn't helping politics in this country.
I had to laugh listening to a press conference earlier when he was introduced as the next prime minister. Not likely 🙄.

Newbiemumsy66 · 31/10/2019 16:18

Just for clarity and fairness, I can’t stand BJ either for totally separate reasons, hence why I’m voting LD.

Newbiemumsy66 · 31/10/2019 16:20

Just out of curiosity and again in the interest of fairness, does left wing media count? Can I not be somewhere in the middle and read legitimate news sources?

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awaynboilyurheid · 31/10/2019 16:25

Labour is my party I’ve always voted for them as have my parents grandparents etc I can’t stand JC !, the complete mess that he has made of not making a stand on Brexit , everyone needed a strong Labour leader to take a side but he just refused to ! The whole country had an opinion but not Labour! what were they thinking!, they will allow the SNP to gain more votes and end up with the break up of the UK it just makes me so sad and angry at the same time !
I know he,s not popular on Mnet but I think Tony Blair was a brilliant prime minister Britain prospered and although the unions hated him they had to toe the line as he tried to modernise the system. JC will not get my vote the first time in my life I will not vote Labour till a new leader is elected., goes without saying I could never vote Tory ( like a scene from GOT my ancestors would rise up and strike me dead)

CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/10/2019 16:25

Given that he absolutely is as dangerous a BJ I can't vote in support of either of them!

The Labour Manifesto highlights on the radio today made me giggle (not in a good way, but I was in public):

We're out to get the bad guys... - Oooooooooh!

I will have Brexit sorted... in 6 months - Fucks sake!

FFS! This politics, it's supposed to matter. Stop fiddling at the edges...

CuriousaboutSamphire · 31/10/2019 16:26

Tony Blair was a brilliant prime minister Britain prospered and although the unions hated him they had to toe the line as he tried to modernise the system. Look at his legacy rather than the short years in the sun!

TulipsTulipsTulips · 31/10/2019 16:27

I don’t know either. I’m a conservative voter but would be tempted to switch if the party was led by Stella Creasy.

MangoSalsa · 31/10/2019 16:41

Who’ve they got that’s better?

Any of the experienced people of calibre who held office in last government are tarnished with the Iraq war (and the recession). There’s a lot of love for Yvette Cooper now, but if she’d become leader the media would have been screaming about WMD and “there’s no money left” not allotments and chickens. Ditto David Milliband. Harriet Harman did a good job as interim leader but she would have been crucified over the war/recession if she’d been made leader.

Any of the new people of calibre, well, yes they are less tainted, but they just don’t have the parliamentary experience to lead the party and oppose the government. Keir Starmer is an obvious choice but he needed (probably still needs) time to switch from thinking like a lawyer to thinking like a politician. He was only elected to parliament in 2015.

So most of the current leadership are people who were peripheral under Blair but maintained some integrity as backbencher, with some rising stars sprinkled in, who need time to cut their teeth.

If Brexit turns out to be a bigger disaster than the war and recession, then that’s the time to make a serious move. A lot of the parliamentary trench warfare of late has been about the serious contenders learning the ropes of parliamentary procedure.

AgeLikeWine · 31/10/2019 16:42

Tony Blair was a brilliant prime minister Britain prospered and although the unions hated him they had to toe the line as he tried to modernise the system

I agree. Until he lost his mind over Iraq, Blair was one of the best PMs Britain has ever had. If Labour was led by a credible, moderate, progressive, liberal pro-European in this election they would win a landslide.

betaboo · 31/10/2019 19:16

I also don't understand why they won't get rid of him.

sunshinesupermum · 31/10/2019 19:27

Mango Salsa if you watch Keir Starmer speak in Parliament he is a hundred times better than anyone else - he has knowledge at his fingertips, argues his point eloquently and all in all is a statesman the calibre of which only Corbyn and Boris can only ever dream of. He may only be a recent Parliamentarian, but he is a natural and if he was leader of the Labour Party I would vote for them.

Mysterian · 31/10/2019 19:29

The party like him. He got voted in by the party members. The fact that not enough other people like him for him to win an election is not relevent to him being elected to lead his party.

I'm centre left. I would never vote for him.

ForalltheSaints · 31/10/2019 19:44

You have to remember that some Labour supporters just don't live in the same reality as the rest of us. Just as there are some people, even women, who like Boris Johnson.

It's very sad that the two largest parties probably have their worst leaders ever- Jeremy Corbyn who cannot lead on Brexit and does not act on anti-semitic comments from some party members, and Boris Johnson the mysoginist who the only detail he seems to get is his latest mistress's phone number.

AgeLikeWine · 31/10/2019 19:47

I would definitely vote Labour if Yvette Cooper or Keir Starmer was leader. In any sane world, one of them would be....

ginginchinchin · 31/10/2019 19:56

I'm in Hartlepool and watching with interest to see if Mike Hill stands down and we get a momentum candidate who 'moved' up from London a few years ago and immediately became a councillor. He still works (and really lives) in London though. The momentum takeover has been a slow burn.

HerculesTheBercules · 31/10/2019 20:09

I feel so conflicted - I am a remainer in a Scotland, a traditional labour voter who hates the massive cockroach that Brexit has been.

I find myself for the first time ever wondering if Scotland would be better as independent, but if this while mess has taught us one thing it’s that referenda and leaving is not clear cut.

If only Corbyn had come out with a remain position three years ago we would have been in a much stronger position. He seems so weak.

zsazsajuju · 31/10/2019 20:23

Yes, I think John McDonald is a great big idiot

lolawasashowgirl · 31/10/2019 21:38

There are some really interesting and enlightening responses on this thread. However (and I'm really not meaning this in a goady way) there don't seem to have been any responses from Corbyn supporters. I'd be really interested to hear from someone who is a supporter of Corbyn give their take on why he can help secure a victory for Labour?

WhenYouCantRunYouCrawl · 31/10/2019 21:46

Have a look at the ukpolitics sub on Reddit. It's dominated by young Labour supporters, many of whom are party members.

They genuinely don't see Corbyn like the rest of the population do. Their devotion to him is cult like. Many of them honestly believe that he is the next Prime Minister, and that all the polls are wrong and come election day we will see massive swings to Labour.

They live in a social bubble where they shield themselves from the rest of the population, from the "Workington man" as it were.

As a pro remain centrist it's incredibly frustrating to watch. We desperately need a strong opposition and we don't have it in Labour.

CendrillonSings · 31/10/2019 21:50

Exactly - it’s a cult for the Momentum types. Real voters don’t matter to them as long as the Party clique makes all the decisions. Kind of like the old Soviet Union in that way...

AgeLikeWine · 31/10/2019 22:10

As a pro remain centrist it's incredibly frustrating to watch. We desperately need a strong opposition and we don't have it in Labour.

Agree completely. With credible leadership and a clear pro-remain position, Labour would be 20%+ ahead of the Tories. It is a tragedy that the party is such a shambles.

MangoSalsa · 31/10/2019 22:11

I agree sunshinesupermum, but there is more to being a Parliamentarian and a party leader than speaking. He is very much up to the job, but he does need time to reach full strength in the political sphere.

MrsAmaretto · 31/10/2019 22:27

I often wonder the same - why do they still have Corbyn? I can’t vote for Labour as it’s a mess - Corbynists, anti-semites, the mess between UK Labour & Scottish Labour. I actually think I’ll vote SNP this time.

monkeyblonde · 31/10/2019 22:42

Jess Phillips.

Ozgirl75 · 01/11/2019 00:23

I also think Labour could win an election with Kier Starmer but I can understand why he doesn’t want to take charge of the current shit show. Hopefully his plan is to allow JC to have an election, get labour absolutely wiped out so that they just have to get rid of JC and then they can try to start moving back towards a more centrist, electable yet still broadly socialist government.

A government that is able to listen to the issues that really affect huge swathes of working class British people - the very ones that probably voted to Leave as a protest vote, rather than an actual desire to leave the EU.

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