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Good God Extinction Rebellion blocking a funeral hearse.

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HelenaDove · 07/10/2019 18:44

I know where they are coming from but for the love of God you dont block and/or lie under a funeral hearse. FGS think of the relatives and friends of the deceased and how they are feeling.

Unfuckingreal!

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Greenglassteacup · 08/10/2019 08:46

I saw a group of them guzzling Starbucks from disposable cups. Phoney bandwagon knob heads.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 08/10/2019 08:55

I going today, and I can assure that I have a job, am washed and am consistently using a reusable drinks cup.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 08/10/2019 08:56

I'm someone ought to stage a protest against posters like me posting on MN while using some questionable SPAG.

TildaKauskumholm · 08/10/2019 09:01

On one hand I admire the fact that people want to do something, but they seem to go about it in the wrong way by inconveniencing ordinary folks trying to go about their business. If each person on these protests were to give up single use plastic, fast fashion, fast food, holiday flights, their unnecessary giant 4WD, and walk or cycle wherever possible, now that would have some actual benefit to the planet. And they would still be able to post on social media about how virtuous they are. Some folks have been quietly doing these things for years, and just get on with it.

SerendipityJane · 08/10/2019 09:08

Why arent they protesting outside schools that are changing their uniforms every 5 minutes.

because they can't get anywhere near them because of the crush of 4x4s ?

frogsoup · 08/10/2019 09:09

"Frogsoup you need a name change on here May i suggest.................Bertrand Zobrist"

That's vile. But then you clearly don't actually give a toss about zero hours workers, they're just grist to your overblown rhetorical mill. Anyway I'm out. Being compared to a fictional mass murderer for standing up for climate protestors tells me everything I need to know about what kind of person you are.

anascrecca · 08/10/2019 09:33

I agree that to reduce the damage to our environment we need radical global intervention that everyone needs to get behind. This is unlikely to happen and our ecosystem including humans will suffer. So I am sympathetic to the view that we need people to speak up and make those in power listen.

CheerfulMuddler · 08/10/2019 10:08

Dryne Thank you for addressing this on the basis of current research and practices. I'd much rather argue on science than unfounded personal attacks on protestors' hygiene or lifestyles.

So let's look at the science. This is from the IPCC's 2018 report.

^In model pathways with no or limited overshoot of 1.5°C, global net anthropogenic CO2 emissions decline by about 45% from 2010 levels by 2030 (40–60% interquartile range), reaching net zero around 2050 (2045–2055 interquartile range).
For limiting global warming to below 2°C CO2 emissions are projected to decline by about 25% by 2030 in most pathways
(10–30% interquartile range) and reach net zero around 2070 (2065–2080 interquartile range). Non-CO2 emissions in
pathways that limit global warming to 1.5°C show deep reductions that are similar to those in pathways limiting warming to 2°C. (high confidence)
Pathways limiting global warming to 1.5°C with no or limited overshoot would require rapid and far-reaching transitions in
energy, land, urban and infrastructure (including transport and buildings), and industrial systems (high confidence). These systems transitions are unprecedented in terms of scale, but not necessarily in terms of speed, and imply deep emissions reductions in all sectors, a wide portfolio of mitigation options and a significant upscaling of investments in those options (medium confidence).
All pathways that limit global warming to 1.5°C with limited or no overshoot project the use of carbon dioxide removal (CDR) on the order of 100–1000 GtCO2 over the 21st century. CDR would be used to compensate for residual emissions and,
in most cases, achieve net negative emissions to return global warming to 1.5°C following a peak (high confidence). CDR deployment of several hundreds of GtCO2 subject to multiple feasibility and sustainability constraints (high confidence).
Significant near-term emissions reductions and measures to lower energy and land demand can limit CDR deployment to a
few hundred GtCO2 without reliance on bioenergy with carbon capture and storage (BECCS) (high confidence).
Strengthening the Global Response in the Context of Sustainable Development and Efforts to Eradicate Poverty Estimates of the global emissions outcome of current nationally stated mitigation ambitions as submitted under the Paris Agreement would lead to global greenhouse gas emissions in 2030 of 52–58 GtCO2 eq yr−1 (medium confidence). Pathways reflecting these ambitions would not limit global warming to 1.5°C, even if supplemented by very challenging increases in the scale and ambition of emissions reductions after 2030 (high confidence). Avoiding overshoot and reliance on future
large-scale deployment of carbon dioxide removal (CDR) can only be achieved if global CO2 emissions start to decline well
before 2030 (high confidence).^

That's why XR are not interested in petitioning the government to stick to its Paris Climate Conference goals or it's 25 year plan. Because the best current science says very clearly that those goals are inadequate and we need rapid and far-reaching transitions in energy, land, urban and infrastructure (including transport and buildings), and industrial systems (high confidence). These systems transitions are unprecedented in terms of scale, but not necessarily in terms of speed, and imply deep emissions reductions in all sectors, a wide portfolio of mitigation options and a significant upscaling of investments in those options.
Nowhere does the IPCC report suggest that what is needed is for people to recycle, use reusable cups, buy a bike and sit quietly at home not making a fuss. Those things are necessary, but they are so far from being sufficient that it's laughable.
I share your distrust of this government, but I don't believe that they want us all to burn. I think the main reason we have failed to address this problem is because climate change is not seen as a vote winner. As you rightly observed, people would rather we spent money on hospitals and schools and tax reduction, and not doing so loses elections.
I don't see XR's job as to cost and plan how the government will take the actions required above. I see their job as to make it clear that doing so will be a vote-winner, and to persuade members of the public that this should be talked about. Which they have. Before this year, climate change had been debated once in parliament in three years. Since the April actions, the government has declared a climate emergency, and both Labour and the Lib Dems have made climate change part of their manifestos in a way I haven't seen in my lifetime. That's a huge win.
And to answer your question - yes, I would be happy with tax increases. (I think we should introduce carbon tax and dividend, personally). Yes, I would be okay with a loss of business investment - although in practice I think the amount of investment and labour necessary to make these changes will create many more jobs. Yes, I think laws will need to be changed, and I have faith that the government can do so quickly when it's urgent enough.
And as the piece above makes clear - reducing carbon is only the first step in a long process. It would not be a five-year tax increase to rush it through needlessly quickly and then everything would go back to normal. (Or not). CDR is necessary, and it's currently highly expensive and inefficient. Making use of it will require a high level of investment and capital.
It's not going to be easy. It's not going to cheap. But we're going to have to do it one way or the other. And this way is the cheapest way we have.

CheerfulMuddler · 08/10/2019 10:45

It's not quite true that we've reduced our carbon by 40% either - that figure doesn't include aviation and imports. If they're included our figure is more like 10%.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-48025650

It's the internationally recognised practice to exclude those things. But because of our population and climate, we import much more of our food than is usual, and we import most of our manufacturing too. So it's not quite so easy to say that we're doing great and China are falling behind - China are doing badly because they're literally doing all our dirty work for us.
I don't know what the solution to this is, though I think aviation should absolutely be included. But it's naive to say that the government are doing well. They have closed a few old coal plants that nobody wanted and delegated our manufacturing to China. The recommendations of the CCC are indeed great. But we haven't actually implemented them yet. And without political pressure, we won't.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 08/10/2019 10:57

Aviation must be included and aviation fuel must be taxed.

Ginnymweasley · 08/10/2019 11:18

I have to admit living in rural north wales the actual protests make zero impact on my day to day life. I agree with the sentiments overall although i do think a 5 year time scale is not going to happen. I dont agree with the holding up of traffic etc. As I don't think it really helps, all of those cars idling emit a lot of emissions. This morning on the news the story if the protests was followed by a story on the effects of car emissions on children walking to school and they mentioned that a lot of traffic at busy intersections just sat there was making it worse.
I have to admit I was annoyed when they interviewed one protestor who said that she drove a diesel van cause the government wasnt subsidising electric cars. Now I admit that electric cars are expensive but there is a massive jump from a diesel van to an electric car. We have 1 car, a low emission petrol car, and I mainly walk or take public transport. Which is somewhere in the middle of a diesel van and an electric car.

HelenaDove · 08/10/2019 13:37

@frogsoup and you saying a bit of work lost zero hours or no shows the kind of person you are . I have a long posting history on here which shows the kind of person i am thanks. The reason i came up with Zobrist is because people have actually DIED due to sanctions over not getting enough work hours.

If the Grenfell residents were doing these kinds of protests to try and get justice for what happened i can just imagine the kind of threads that would appear on here. They have a silent walk every month. Their prescence is felt. People know they are there.

But i can just imagine what would be said about them and social tenants in general if they did similar to XR.

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HelenaDove · 08/10/2019 13:53

metro.co.uk/2019/07/18/son-missed-final-goodbye-with-dying-dad-because-extinction-rebellion-blocked-the-road-10416107/

Son missed final goodbye with dying dad because Extinction Rebellion blocked the road Kate BuckThursday 18 Jul 2019 4:09 pm

Read more: metro.co.uk/2019/07/18/son-missed-final-goodbye-with-dying-dad-because-extinction-rebellion-blocked-the-road-10416107/?ito=cbshare

Twitter: twitter.com/MetroUK | Facebook: www.facebook.com/MetroUK/

A driver says he missed his father’s final hours yesterday because an environment protest group caused a traffic jam blockade. The unnamed man was stuck in traffic on the M32 on Wednesday after the group set up a blockade causing queues of up to four miles long. He called BBC Radio Bristol to say how Extinction Rebellion’s actions had prevented him seeing his father for the last time. The full interview is no longer available online as the grieving son has asked to remain anonymous. When a reporter confronted protester Zoe Jones with the recording, she said she was sympathetic but ultimately stands by what she and her fellow demonstrators did

She continued: ‘We’re incredibly sorry, we didn’t mean for our protest to affect your life in this way. ‘I still believe we are doing the right thing but it’s incredibly difficult to hear stories like that. ‘I’m glad that I heard it and it’s given me a more rounded view of the protest and the gravity of the situation that we’re in.’ Puppy creates own ‘cone of shame’ after getting head stuck in flower pot She added that it has not made her want to stop protesting in the future and said: ‘I guess the reason why we’re all here is for our families. ‘I shouldn’t be here standing in the road and stopping people from getting to hospital to see their aged father who is on death’s door. ‘This shouldn’t be happening but we are here and this is the reality and we have to be here.

She blamed their actions on politicians and added: ‘I hope politicians listen to what we are saying and allow us to get back to work, allow people to get to their hospital appointments and to allow them to get on with their lives.’ Police confirmed 16 people were arrested at the blockade during yesterday’s activity. However, the incident has lost them some public support Four arrested after 'kidnap victim' is seen being forced into BMW Local Steve King said: ‘His father was seriously ill in Bristol Royal Infirmary. He had a phone call from them to say that his father hadn’t got long to live. ‘He couldn’t be with his father when he died because these protesting twunts had blocked the M32 and he couldn’t get there in time. ‘The protesters have completely lost any support I may have had for their message.

Caroline Carey wrote: ‘I hope they can live with what they have done to this poor man. How would they feel if it was one of their family members needing to get to the hospital? They have no conscience. ‘They’ve made their point, time to go home before more tragedy blights their cause. RIP to the father and heartfelt condolences to the son.’ Rachelle Miller wrote: ‘Poor guy. I was lucky to be with my dad right till his last breath. ‘This will be with him for the rest of his life.

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HelenaDove · 08/10/2019 13:57

From another site.

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ER are a pain in the arse though - we have been warned to avoid leaving our offices through the normal exits and to keep our government ID hidden as there have been threats to attack civil servants. Whether their message is valid or not, they won't get anywhere by threatening the people who are in a place to make new laws. It isn't nice feeling unsafe walking miles out of your way to get a bus or a tube to the other side of the city to travel home, just because you work for tbe government

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HelenaDove · 08/10/2019 14:11

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#ExtinctionRebellion - as u shut down main roads leading London hospitals, I walked 20mins with some 1 who has CANCER so they could get to hospital for a procedure, as the car couldn’t get thru. 20mins might not sound long but when u hav CANCER IT IS! Thanks Extinction Rebellion!

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TheFlis12345 · 08/10/2019 14:16

I am in Westminster and earlier watched them refuse to move to let a children’s hospital transfer ambulance through. Shameful.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 08/10/2019 14:19

You do realise that people have died from the recent heatwaves and will die as a direct result of the environmental catastrophe we are facing?

UltimateSalt · 08/10/2019 14:19

Where did anyone say you want them shot OP? It's @Soola who wants to personally murder protesters.

HelenaDove · 08/10/2019 14:25

You do realize that someone who has cancer needs to get to an appointment without added stress.

Im aware of the heatwaves and climate change and am as worried as much as anyone. But this is NOT the way to go about things.

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HelenaDove · 08/10/2019 14:28

Im worried about someone getting hurt when tempers get frayed.

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ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 08/10/2019 14:29

What’s the way to go about it?

If you think you know the best way why don’t you do it and show everybody how it’s done?

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 08/10/2019 14:30

Also, you might want to ask MNHQ to amend your incorrect thread title.

HelenaDove · 08/10/2019 14:34

@MNHQ can you amend this thread title please Thanks.

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SerendipityJane · 08/10/2019 14:35

Also, you might want to ask MNHQ to amend your incorrect thread title

Isn't it also a tautology Grin ?