Would you report this?

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Would you report someone you know for benefit fraud?

I'm stuck in a bit of a moral dilemma - I hate seeing people abuse the system.

Just wondered what the general consensus was.

Mumsnet - The Forum where Benefit fraudsters can even BRAG about doing so, yet they'll STILL be declared innocent victims by most users!

NB. I am a genuinely disabled claimant of both PIP & Highest Disability element of UC (LCWRA) with a Blue Badge before anyone tried declaring me as disablist!

@NChereNNow Unfortunately you will be assesses again. They have cancelled ALL lifetime awards and are now assessing everyone at the very least every 5 years. Usually around every 24 months

Yep. It's stealing scarce public funds.

I wouldn't report it if I was you in case your freind applied under something else rathan than what that person disclosed to you. Some people would feel ashamed of their conditions and lie to people about it. Except benefit people as they need evidence.

@Thehouseintheforest 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Thankyou! From a GENUINELY severely disabled claimant

Thankyou! From a GENUINELY severely disabled claimant

Have you read all their posts? Do you realise you're thanking someone who wrote that a "genuinely mentally ill person" wouldn't be able to appeal or go to a tribunal, that if they could do that they aren't as disabled as they say?
Do you have an invisible disability? Because it's attitudes like the ones that poster is spouting that make life so hard for people with invisible disabilities and mental health problems.

I'll start snitching when the govt start pulling in the millions of unpaid taxes from the big companies.

If you really feel the need, OP, make sure you fully know all the facts and haven't just assumed.

@JanMeyer Oh don't play dumb you knew exactly what she meant! Many if not most Mental Health issues cause such severe anxiety that you'd LIKELY struggle with the process and need help with it or a home assessment. Ffs! 🙄

I'm NOT exaggerating! I'm describing what happened to me! I got a letter stating an allegation had been made and that while investigations were ongoing my money was suspended - they had ZERO proof I was doing ANYTHING wrong because I wasn't!

I was never called for interview, or to a meeting. I was asked to provide evidence for my claim (which I did - and which was apparently "lost" on several occasions) and saw a (pretty useless at being discreet!) person sat in a car watching my home for several weeks! Who made me very nervous cos I didn't know who they were or what they were up to so I reported them to police and was told they weren't a threat/there for nefarious reasons (debatable)...

Even when I was "cleared" and money should have been reinstated It took 6 months to sort the whole damn mess out!

Who'd reported me? Pretty sure it was my ex who despite having cheated and knocked up OW was pissed off at me starting to date 2 YEARS after we'd split.

"The Forum where Benefit fraudsters can even BRAG about doing so" please DO provide proof of this happening on this or indeed ANY OTHER THREAD!

"Many if not most Mental Health issues cause such severe anxiety that you'd LIKELY struggle with the process and need help with it or a home assessment. Ffs!" Another NON EXPERT spouting crap about mental illness!!

Venger beacause you continually accuse me of. Ring somebody I'm not .. and claim you are .. yet refuse to enter into a 'proof' discussion. I KNOW who I am. and am happy to 'prove it ' by providing details that the general public wouldn't know after 30 years in the job.. yet you refuse to accept the challenge ?

Afraid of being wrong ?

yet refuse to enter into a 'proof' discussion

I'm secure enough in myself to see no need for 'proof' discussions. Why would I feel the need to prove myself to strangers on the internet? You seem determined to turn this into a game of "who has the biggest dick" simply because I said I dont believe you're in the job role you claim to be in. I'd express the same doubt at someone claiming to be a doctor or a solicitor as the basis for whatever ill-informed statement they're making.

You have issues.

Daily Express link from 2012
PiP fraud levels are actually extremely low, house do a bit of research before posting disablist crap.

You didn’t arrest anyone either, you may have interviewed under caution and informed them they were going to court but you don’t have powers of arrest.

Good catch Gilead.

As suspected that poster full of it!

I claim pip it was bloody hard to get. I have over 20 seizures a week but if you saw me I think the street you would think I was perfectly well.

Part of my claim is I can’t bathe alone or cook alone. Now I could do these things quite easily but it would be a danger for me to do it. Pip looks at risk not just what you are physically able to do. Just trying to point out it is not black and white

Hmmm Venger... so it seems the bullshitter is not me. ! Seeing as I have no problem proving my 'credentials ' ..

Bluebelldaisy EXACTLY my point !! Because so many issues with health are difficult to 'see' a much higher proportion of people with MH or brain damage issues like yourself and are so much harder to verify from a fraud perspective... however basic c enquiries following an allegation to someone such as you would mean no further action and a 'malicious allegation ' - unfortunately because people know that MH is a sensitive issue , fraudsters exploit this..

Hmmm Venger... so it seems the bullshitter is not me. ! Seeing as I have no problem proving my 'credentials ' ..

I don't feel the need to prove my credentials yet you seem enormously threatened by me, and others, questioning yours. You're being really weird and obsessive about this, I'm not engaging with you any further.

It’s almost impossible to claim PIP for MH. You don’t just say you have a condition and they take your word for it- you need a lot of supporting evidence.
I have bipolar type 1 and I provided letters from my consultant, CPN, care plans from when I had been in hospital and I was still turned down. I was turned down again at the reconsideration stage and it had to go to tribunal. I couldn’t attend as I was sectioned in hospital when the tribunal was held, on 1:1 care (sometimes 2:1), and the hospital social worker provided a letter stating how I was banned from both the patient kitchen and the clinic room due to the severe self harm and attempts at suicide I had made in both. She added that I had to have someone watching me 24/7 (sometimes two people), was often put in seclusion (an empty room with just a bed, and rip proof clothing) regularly made serious attempts at ending my life which led to admissions in the general hospital (all while inpatient in the psychiatric ward, not just at home) and only then did the judge grant me an award.
I would say my mental illness is at times very severe, and to reach the stage I was at to get an award shows just how difficult it is to claim.

ProhibitedRodent. You'll be contacted by the Department for Work and Pensions ( DWP ), HM Revenue and Customs ( HMRC ), the Service and Personnel and Veterans Agency or your local authority if you're suspected of fraud. Your benefit may be stopped while you're investigated. You'll get a letter telling you about this if it happens.
This is from the DWP website.
I have in the past had monies stopped whilst being investigated.

Oh, and by the way TheHouse, a quarter of people who successfully claimed for mental health difficulties under DLA are refused PiP. Given that PiP was designed to give the government a 20% reduction in claimants, your nonsense makes little sense.

Many if not most Mental Health issues cause such severe anxiety that you'd LIKELY struggle with the process and need help with it or a home assessment. Ffs! 🙄

I got told that home assessments were for bed bound people only.

It was only when I called bullshit, that the DWP back peddled in an amazing way.