What are your thoughts about Jordan Peterson ?

[Lardlizard]

Been listening to him on YouTube and I think he speaks a lot of truth

I enjoy his lectures and his book they have been a huge help getting through my divorce. I don't understand why people think he is anti semitic also not sure why people think he is a fraud and hasn't read the sources he quotes. Having said that I'm not interested in the religous meaning lectures and I don't agree with everything he says. I do admire that he is able reach and make a difference to so many people, often those who are most alienated from society.

I like his 12 rules for life, a lot of it is simple stuff like clean up your room
But I’ve found it does make you feel better

I also agree with his thoughts that woman pretty much need to have there lives in order by 30
And that if you haven’t had a family by 45 life can start looking bleak

Sure being child free in your 3os and 40s maybe have its own benefits
Well probably many
But as you hit 45/50 plus you will feel that lack of having your own family

I’m not that age yet but I can see potentially how people of these age may feel like that

Pet a cat in the street
Yep enjoy any simple pleasures along the way you can

Life is suffering
Yep
And it’s about finding something that makes all the suffering worth enduring
100percent agree

Step parents the vast majority of time are no where near ass good as bio parents
(Not it say a minority’s are not fantastic and amazing ) but they are the minority

And kids are far far more likely to be abused by a step father
Than a bio parent

I don’t see why people think he’s anti Jewish
I don’t see that at all

But I don’t get why anyone would be anti Jewish

I like the fact I can be getting on with something like painting and listening to his lectures that I wouldn’t have access to if day YouTube the internet didn’t exist

It appears, then, that stating the obvious and larding it with a bit of woman baiting bullshit makes you very wealthy.
Perhaps I should give it a go

Sometimes I think staying obvious stuff can be handy as it reminds us of what we actually already know

Life is suffering

Is that a Peterson thing? I thought it was The Princess Bride. “Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who tells you differently is selling you something”.

I like him. Don't agree with him on everything but that's not the point. Being exposed to new and different ideas is a good thing.

For the people calling him right wing (or a Nazi ), he's a classical liberal. Not right wing at all. I don't even understand why "right wing" is used as a way to dismiss people anyway. People have different opinions. Leaning right on the political spectrum doesn't make someone's ideas less valid than those of someone leaning left.

I also like watching Ben Shapiro, Milo Yiannopoulos, Steven Crowder, Christina Hoff Summers and Hunter Avallone. Again, I disagree with them on a few things but who cares? Intellectual diversity is a great thing and it's better to keep an open mind, rather than confining yourself to an echo chamber.

Gayboy I’m going check some of these ones out

@gayboy27 great post.

I’m right wing.

Raheem Kassam, Avi Yemeni, Sargon of Akkad, Candace Owens, Judge Jeanine Pirro, Imam Tawhidi, James Woods, Infowars media, Breitbart, Neil O’Mahoney, Mark Lutchman, Michelle Malkin, Diamond and Silk..... many more that also make for listening to.

Milo Yiannopoulos

😂😂😂

Have a word with yourself, absolutely laughable that anyone could recommend him in the name of ‘intellectual diversity’. He openly admits he is inspired by neo-nazis and white nationalists . Don’t agree with him on everything? I think (hope) most people don’t agree with him on ANYTHING.

This far right misogynistic libertarians fan club is not a place for me.

And infowars.

FFS if those are the ‘if you enjoyed Jordan Peterson then you might like...’ recommendations then that’s pretty damning of Peterson.

Soola Will check some of those people out.

Lemonade I'm not "far right". I don't lean one way or another on the political spectrum. It doesn't matter whether you agree with him. He has the right to say it, and I fully agree with him on topics such as feminism and political correctness. He's not a white nationalist either, seeing as he's married to a black man and has never said anything remotely racist.

Some high(low)lights from his Wikipedia page:

In October 2017, leaked emails revealed that Yiannopoulos had repeatedly solicited neo-Nazi and white supremacist figures on the alt-right for feedback and story ideas in his work for the website Breitbart.

Among the figures Yiannopoulos contacted were Curtis Yarvin, a central figure of the neoreactionary movement; Devin Saucier, the editor of the white supremacist magazine American Renaissance; Andrew Auernheimer, the administrator of neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer; and Baked Alaska, a commentator known for his anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi tweets.

The report also included a video of Yiannopoulos singing "America the Beautiful" at a karaoke bar, where a crowd of neo-Nazis and white supremacists, including Saucier and Richard B. Spencer, cheered him with the Nazi sieg heil salute.

In 2018, Yiannopoulos bragged on Instagram and Facebook that he donated $14.88 to Talia Lavin, a Jewish journalist. In Neo-Nazi and Alt-right circles, 14 represents the Fourteen Words ("We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children") and 88 is code for Heil Hitler. PayPal and the PayPal-owned Venmo subsequently suspended his account.

I shall judge him by the company he keeps and the views he appropriates, amplifies and promotes.

And that’s all before you get to him inciting violence against journalists, how he feels about Muslims and women, his views on older men being attracted to underage boys. Vile.

I like peterson in his self development / psychologist role. He really is good at communicating how we can be better people. I’m atheist but even loved his biblical lectures, especially the Cain and Abel one.

But I find him grating (but still interesting) when he goes beyond individual psychology

He interviewed Milo recently and I hated Milo less, he’s definitely reflected on past behaviours and seems more settled

TheBigBallOfOil I thought the same. Never heard of this guy before today so had a look at some of his interviews on You Tube. He does seem to waffle. Says a lot of words without saying very much.

He's a cunt who hates women. HTH

I think the appeal of these types of people is that they seem to offer simple solutions in a world that is complex and often bewildering. Do what they say [fill in folksy piece of obvious wisdom here] and your life will be great and you won't have to worry.

It's all about harking back to the days when the world was a simpler place where everyone knew their role. Unfortunately when you look more deeply into the philosophies of Jordan Peterson and his kind (Thierry Baudet is another one), it's all about rolling back the positives that have come about - rights and independence of women, gay rights, freedom of religion and from religion. Then when you dig a bit deeper still you get into the far right stuff, all nicely dressed up in big words so that it sounds intelligent.

These people are clever - they present an appealing, simple picture, secure in the knowledge that most people won't look beyond it and dig deeper. We need to teach critical reading and critical thinking far more explicitly in schools to counteract this.

Op his views on childfree women are the only views I know
And they are enough.

I've watched and read a lot of his stuff. He is very clever and knows how to carry himself, but very ideological. He likes his simple answers, usually from other people, and making them sound profound. His response to people who view things differently and won't fit into his ideology is very dismissive. He often tells people that they would agree with him if they knew better.

As an example, he says everyone in the West is Christian even if declaring oneself atheist or pagan or another faith because its our culture. He says anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves. Also, he views being Christian is pretty much the only way to be an ethical person, that if someone were truly atheist, they would be murderers for some reason. He sometimes will expand it to Judeo-Christian, but only ever uses Christian points of view. He entirely misses that Judaism and Christianity have actually incredibly different ethical structures (before even getting into the many variants of both) and to me, this shows he actually hasn't studied them much (much like his anti-Marx arguments. I agree with him that Marx was a hack and his philosophies are greatly flawed, but Peterson's disagreements are mainly thin jargon as a previous poster mentioned).

He has a very thin ideological understanding of many things and can discuss them well, but digging beneath the surface shows he doesn't actually know as much about them as he is portraying. In his own field, he has a lot of knowledge (though even there he has an ideological bend that many within his field disagree with - the whole dragon/rescuing your father thing is a very minority opinion with not as much supporting it compared to his personality work), but with his popularity he has stepped into talking about many others and plenty of equally and more clever people in those fields he often brings into his work - there are more than a few biologists who have torn into him on the whole lobster thing - have countered him.

He is as if not more ideological than the people he claims are awful.

Also, the step-parent thing has been disputed and disproven repeatedly. Step-parents are more likely to be abusive only when they are young. This is actually true of biological parents as well - young parents are more likely to be abusive, young step-parents more so. The vast majority of step-parents (actual step-parents, not any partner the parent has - those are two different groups often mixed together) are no more threats and just as good for kids as biological parents.

I think he should stick to psychology and stop pontificating about subjects he clearly has limited understanding of.

Ben shapiro is awful

@RosaWaiting , he would like to control them, apparently.

tricky Oh I don’t know about that, I thought it was just he disapproves of us!

He really isnt 'very clever'. Being clever is about more than name dropping foreign writer's names.