What would it take for you to become vegan?

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A genuine question after a conversation some friends and I were having. They said that they'd become vegan if the ready meals and prepackaged vegan meals were cheaper. It got me thinking, are there any conditions under which you would consider veganism and if so, what are they?

Ceasing to understand that death is what creates life or that the domestication of animals wasn't about exploitation but symbiosis meaning that our species have coevolved, in the same way as happens between pairs of non-human species...

Domesticated animals aren't captive wild animals, they are distinct species that evolved alongside humans to depend upon us but also benefit from our protection. Like domesticated plants.

People are entitled to their own beliefs, but I'm not going to adopt a diet based on a faulty and illogical premise.

The problem is there is no such thing as ethical dairy produce. Well, not dairy produce from cows, anyway

Calf at Foot Dairy?
Does that not tick the box, assuming you don't think it's unethical to eat beef?

I went vegan January, February and March this year and didn't find it too bad on the whole but then cheese started creeping back in. I couldn't find a nice enough alternative so at the moment I'm vegetarian but eating mainly vegan meals.

Grumpy- I didn’t know about that- thank you!

I wish it was pasteurised, though.......

Goteam,no need to explain,this is a discussion so I'm not taking it personally.
As I said upthread teen DD is vegetarian so we eat some vegan by default(,red dragon pie cooking as we speak).
I have no problems with main meals as long as I cook ahead but as someone with 3stone to loose I can no longer munch my toast with peanut butter for breakfast.
I have eggs at on my days off but would like other ideas.I don't have much milk and last time we bought oat m
ilk it went off before we finished it and I cant afford to be wasteful.
DD is vegetarian for environmental reasons not animal welfare so much(brought up next to a farm and we were very upfront about the pros and cons as she grew up).
I think if you are just starting off veganism is daunting and takes probably more organisation than than I can muster.Its not that it's not doable(we had a vegan Christmas) but that What I come up with often feels a bit samey and often a chore.

I have been veggie for around 35 years, DH for longer. I can't stand the taste of milk and it affects my stomach and am really not keen on cheese so thought about becoming vegan but I love eggs.

I only get eggs from neighbours whose chickens are running around their gardens so I feel less guilty.

I tried most of the alternative milks but found oat milk the best. I think it tastes fine in tea and coffee and makes good Yorkshire puddings, sauces etc. DH tried it and liked it so we both use that now.

DH became veggie because he doesn't believe it is right to eat animals. I gave up because I never liked the taste of meat plus it made me feel sluggish and bloated when I ate it. I don't really eat meat substitutes because I don't want to eat things that taste like the meat I never liked (if that makes sense).

We ate loads of veg plus things like lentils, chickpeas, beans, nuts etc. We probably eat about a dozen eggs a week easily.

I think vegetarian and vegan food is far more interesting and tasty than meat dishes.

For me it was just educating myself of what the industry does to the planet. I did veganuary to challenge myself and enjoyed it. Found it really easy and just couldn't justify eating animal products again.

I would call myself vegan. I work in the cosmetic industry for a brand that isn't vegan. I wear leather. I but animal products in our shop which my DP and DD eat. It's my choice not theirs.

The longer I do it the more the things I thought I would miss actually make me feel a bit ill just to think about. I just try to eat as plant based as possible.

My DD's vegetarian and I could probably live quite happily as one; DS and DDIL are vegan and no way could I do it. I hate coconut (which is widely used), don't like pulses and as for milk and cheese substitutes - they are rank, as is tofu.
Vegan cooking seems to be very time consuming, and I struggle with the concept of eating highly refined/'engineered' meat/fish/egg/cheese substitutes.
Definitely not for me.

I was vegetarian for several years. I tried going vegan 3 times. I did plenty of research on a balanced diet and did it slowly so my body could adjust. Each and every time, my body couldn't handle it. My skin was dreadful, my iron levels plummeted and my blood pressure always got higher. I love cooking so was making lots of lovely vegan meals from scratch but my body still couldn't handle it. In the end, my body started craving meat like crazy so I gave in.

Now, I eat local, high welfare, grass fed meat from a nearby butcher, and organic dairy.

I don't eat a ton of meat (rarely have it for breakfast/lunch), mostly for dinner and honestly, find half a chicken breast sufficient for me. They're huge though, and not pumped full of water than shrinks on cooking. Not massively bothered about cheese or eggs, though I do enjoy them when I do eat them. I do, however, love yoghurt, proper butter and chocolate so I'd struggle to give them up. I love a lot of foods that happen to be vegan - peanut butter, falafel, hummus, homemade bean burgers, chickpea and mushroom curry.

In theory, I love the idea of being vegan but I've tried several times and it just doesn't work for me. So I do try to minimise the amount of meat/dairy I consume but wouldn't do it completely.

@Hotterthanahotthing - I have this for breakfast:
detoxinista.com/instant-pot-make-ahead-detox-quinoa-breakfast-bowls/

I'm sure it must be possible to find a way of cooking it normally. It is a bit of a faff on the day I'm making the batch but then the other five days it takes less than 2mins to reheat in the microwave. Even with extra almond milk for reheating it's only about 220cals per serving.

A good reason to?

Vegan is high carb diet. Why would I want to go back on it? Carbs trash the body, cause insulin resistance, brain fog, obesity, exarberate PCOS symptoms, infertility, heart disease.

Vegan can be low carb, if one puts their mind on it and relishes fancy protein powders and supplement. Not for us.

My two vegan friends are thinking of going back on ethical meat from farms that respect permaculture.

@Bertrand
I wish it was pasteurised, though.......
Get it and pasteurise it yourself? Raw milk does taste wonderful, but it goes off bloody quickly.

There are some farmers who do calf-at-foot and pasteurise, but I think they only sell locally. Maybe ask on a dairying FB page?

Sturmunclam,thank you.I will try asmall batch tomorrow one I've bought oat milk(not a coconut fan- just taste wise)and need to make it less sweet.This does kind of take quinoa off the menu for tea or as part of a salad box at lunch.

Is there a vegan way of making a quich/savory tart?

I've had 2 out of 3 meals vegan today. If I could eat fresh Thai, Vietnamese, Middle Eastern and Indian food all the time I'd happily be vegan.

Italian is an issue and I love Italian food. And Greek.

I swapped cows milk for oat milk a couple of years ago and don't miss it at all.

minimalistbaker.com/simple-tofu-quiche/
Nutritional yeast is so nice

Hotterthanahotthing" Is there a vegan way of making a quich/savory tart?"

You can make a vegetable Tarte Tatin that is vegan, and very good.

www.jamieoliver.com/features/donna-hay-christmas-recipes-root-veggie-tart/ This version is root veg, and has taleggio, which can be omitted. I tend to use courgettes, aubergines, peppers and red onions with maybe some sweet potato instead of root veg. MOst ready roll puff pastry in the supermarket is vegan, unless it is the 'all butter' version, obv.

I will never understand why vegetarians and vegans are so keen on replicating their food to look like meat items, eg sausages, burgers, roasting joints etc

Same reason that as a lesbian I keep penis substitutes in the bedside drawer: I'm repelled by the original flesh version but quite like a replica.

I'm a vegetarian who does not eat meat substitutes ever
(I do have a couple of penis substitutes in my bedside drawer though)

You could try using chickpea flour in a savory tart if you wanted it to be vegan

Shaping non meat food into sausage or burger shape is much easier than unicorn shape.

Easy egg can be used as an egg substitute and is good for scrambled egg and quiche. It's better with a pinch of kala namak though to give it the egg flavour. I've been vegetarian for years and only been vegan over the past year. It's not difficult, almost everything can be veganised.
sportsinside.co.uk/orgran-vegan-easy-egg-250g.html?gclid=CjwKCAjwk7rmBRAaEiwAhDGhxB71sO1aJ4lFN3k8j2j_k5jj1bac-GsXmSGSKzScBgA-U_8Q8ijy2xoCBDIQAvD_BwE

Why chickpea flour and not wheat flour?Both are vegan surely.

People do like to try and catch vegetarians-vegans out donnt they? “Ha! You eat sausage shaped things! That must mean you’re not a proper vegan! And that burger shaped thing? That’s the same as a actual burger, you hypocrite!”

I make a quiche with silken tofu and hummus. It’s really good.