What would it take for you to become vegan?

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A genuine question after a conversation some friends and I were having. They said that they'd become vegan if the ready meals and prepackaged vegan meals were cheaper. It got me thinking, are there any conditions under which you would consider veganism and if so, what are they?

To answer your question tho- if current vegans stopped preaching

Really? You base your moral and health decisions on how others express theirs? How odd.

Also if you don't mind packaging and processed food, Lidl onion bhajis are vegan and 99p for 4. Really nice. In cardboard and plastic packaging though much like the packaging most meat is sold in....

I'm not really interested in meat substitutes. I like vegetables!

I can't report first hand, but I've heard several accounts of feeling very depressed, joyless, lifeless, with an inability to function at work or have the energy for exercise. All immediately resolved by cessation of a vegan diet. And they let these feelings drag on and on because they feel such intense guilt at eating meat and animal products again that they let themselves get into a terrible state before going back to it.

Vegan breakfast is easy - porridge made with oat milk (or another plant-based milk) topped with seeds & fresh fruit.

Or avocado on toast with seeds/zaatar

grumio or banana pancakes with agave syrup and berries, scrambled tofu (add turmeric, cumin and chilli) with avocado and grilled cherry tomatoes or good old marmite on toast with naturali vegan butter. So many options.

Wow, this makes for depressing reading. Animals live in awful conditions,and a killed,millions every day. The few that are seen out side are outnumbered tenfold by those in barns/cages. Plus the majority of meat comes from other countries with dubious welfare standards.
There is no doubt that all they suffer.
Amazing that this can all be written off with shrugs of 'bacon,though, lol'

Out of interest, I looked in the book I am cooking tomorrow’s lunch out of - and the third recipe I came across was vegan. I reckon it would take 15 minutes max.

I add peanut butter to porridge too for protein. Honestly, vegans get plenty of protein and iron.

“I can't report first hand, but I've heard several accounts of feeling very depressed, joyless, lifeless, with an inability to function at work or have the energy for exercise. All immediately resolved by cessation of a vegan diet.”
That’s a bad diet, not a vegan first!

Diet, not first.

“To answer your question tho- if current vegans stopped preaching“

Actually, what night turn me vegan is the ignorance and rudeness of many of my fellow meat eaters!

You're right Fijat it's depressing. I have honestly never seen meat as food. They are animals much like the pets I have and grew up with. I decided at 8 to stop eating meat in a very meat loving household. I don't get the arguments here. I don't see how a vegan diet is less healthy, more processed or more reliant on packaging.

Avacados out,environmentally and waistband wise.I leave the house at 6.45 and the thought of getting up earlier than 6am to cook and eat porridge(and wash out the container you cook in) every morning.
I also have had problems with the processed,expensive oat and nut milks as I use very little milk and have found many taste ok in coffee but vile in tea.
I do like zaatar though!

Nothing.

Veganism as it stands is unworkable for the planet. To have a balanced diet appears to involve a great deal of imported vegetables and foodstuffs from places very far away from the UK. In some communities, the demand for certain items has resulted in locals being unable to afford what were once staples of their diet.

In January 2018, Kenya banned the export of avocados because the supply was at risk.
Mexico was having to consider importing the fruit for local consumption because although they exported 45% of the world's avocados, local people couldn't afford them as the cost was the equivalent of the local daily minimum wage. This in addition to the illegal deforestation happening to get enough space to grow the increased volume.

Then there's the additional fuel needed to transport these foodstuffs very quickly over vast distances regularly, which is adding to climate change concerns. So, no. Veganism is not going to be happening here.

When my budget allows I like to buy locally sourced foodstuffs, when it doesn't I try to buy from European countries nearest to the UK.

No, I don't believe it is a bad vegan diet. The people I know have put a lot of effort into preparing their meals. These are professional adults with the research, time, money, and experience to put into their diet. But it has made them miserable in spite of that.

Actually, what night turn me vegan is the ignorance and rudeness of many of my fellow meat eaters!

I have never had a vegan preach at me but I've had many meat eaters sit and start 'mooing' whilst they eat beef and tell me how they like it rare so they can taste the blood.....i had said nothing to them...I just dared to order a vegetarian meal from the menu. I don't eat meat, I rarely talk about not eating it, I certainly don't preach. Some people are just twats. I once had someone tell me that they put a small amount of meat into a vegetarian curry 'to prove the vegetarian person wouldn't notice'. Again, total twat. People think they are funny....they're not.

Hotter it doesn't have to be porridge! What do most people eat for breakfast? Cereal and toast, surely? Both vegan. Are most eaters making themselves sausages, bacon and eggs every morning? Doesn't that take longer? Oat milk is nice in tea / coffee and milk in coffee was the one thing I found hard to give up. Or try soya, coconut, hazelnut milk etc. I think people think of excuses not to be vegan. I'll accept 'I really like meat'. At least that's honest!

I follow a vegan diet 80% of the time ...
But then, you know... Bacon.

hotter I wasn't aiming the excuses comment at you just generally. I have friends who have said, I would I've to be vegan but....and there is always an answer to their excuses. I don't eat many avocados and buy locally grown in season veg so that argument is out. Also vegan milk isn't amazing but I never liked dairy mil. It was just something to put in coffee, tea and cereal.

If I was offered a million pounds. Tax free. I'd take the money and sneakily eat meat in private.

Nothing...it's really not a healthy way of existing. You cannot get several essential amino acids, vitamins and minerals from a vegan diet without supplementation (rendering it NOT a healthy diet).

Eating meat very day is not a good idea, but not eating any animal products when humans are intended to be omnivores is also a bad idea.

IMO - vegan preachers are dangerous.

I get depressed when...

*Whole species go extinct
*People chuck their rubbish any old place without caring who deals with it next
*People won't make an effort to minimise the environmental damage they cause
*Children are harmed from violence
*People won't listen to each other's POV
*People can't muster sympathy for other people's circumstances
*Someone thinks that more violence will solve a big political problem
*People gush about possible life on other planets (coz I care a lot more about protecting the one & only planet known to have life on it)

I'm out of depression tokens to allocate to humans eating animals. I can easily tolerate that practice without feeling remotely sad.

When I have lost my ability to reason. We are designed to be omnivores. No problem with eating considerably less meat or dairy produce that has been ethically and responsibly grown.

The problem is there is no such thing as ethical dairy produce. Well, not dairy produce from cows, anyway.