I actually do think anti vaxxers have a point to a certain extent

[HairHereThere]

Like with ANY medication/treatment there are risks
I feel the government are letting us down with such a one sided ‘vaccines are safe’ argument and how they never want to admit that vaccinations cause problems.
I think, I’m some cases they do. Not being able to claim under the vaccine damage scheme for under 2s gives the wrong message too it’s just too.......defensive ?


If they said actually there is a risk, it’s small but it’s there and we’re honest then had more of a balanced reasoning that yes there’s a risk but it’s a choice and presented it better that the scaremongering would die down

I’m theory I’m anti vax but I’ve vaccinated my children fully because I believe it’s a risk but a risk that is worth taking if that makes sense.
Some I spent to though are terrified and feel there’s such a brick wall up around balanced discussion and it makes things worse ?

[Haworthia]

Like anything in medicine, it’s a question of risk versus benefit, isn’t it?

Therefore the benefit of vaccination vastly outweighs the risk of an adverse reaction.

[Tiptopj]

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[Prequelle]

Oh and before anyone bothers to mention the vaccine injury thing in the US...

These are some of the examples of 'vaccine injury' that people claim to have and as such they have been added to the bloody VAERS stats

[lljkk]

This blog is good.

I should relate b/c I did delay some jabs for DC1; I don't relate b/c it was a position born of ignorance & I only delayed by 3-4 months, not years. I'm not a fan of making decisions out of fear. But we live in a very emotional age when heart >>>>>> head and few people seem to champion that that's undesirable.

Death of the Age of Reason?

[Studentnurse1981]

You are WRONG

[HairHereThere]

I e been to a and e after one dc had a reaction and as soon as I asked could it be the vaccination I was stopped immediately told it definitely wasn’t quite aggressively and I think this is the kind of thing which then scares people into abandoning the vaccine schedule
It’s like it can’t even be mentioned sometimes
Like I said I have vaccinated as really looked into it but I’m speaking with so so many who are scared and won’t listen to the reasoning that vaccines may not be 200% but the diseases are far more unpredictable and dangerous

[Northernlurker]

If people want to understand why they should vaccinate then go to any graveyard and wander around the Victorian section. Look at the number of children described you see on gravestones and ask yourselves what's different now? If you look hard enough you'll probably find a grave where the family lost multiple children in the same year. That's seeing an epidemic in action. That's what you should be telling your frightened friends op. Frankly we are so fortunate to be able to access free and plentiful vaccinations. The alternative is dire.

[HairHereThere]

100% ...... not 200 🙄🤣

[Purpleartichoke]

There are real risks. Incredibly rare, but life altering risks. I’m not talking about autism fear mongering. I’m talking about those rare complications that do happen. I was terrified to give my dd her shots because I grew up with a cousin who suffered severe brain damage from a vaccine. I ultimately still vaccinated DD, because I decided the risk was worth it, but denying the real risks does not lead to trust.

[bellinisurge]

Antivax view is like saying "some people on the internet say smoking is ok so it must be".

[Funnyfarmer]

There's always risks with any medicine. I don't hear anyone denying it.
I have read lots of feeds where pepole claim that, medical professionals deny all knowledge of risks, side effects ECT, and that they withhold inserts. That just simply not true. I did plenty of research, and found all the information that antivaxxers was saying is whitheld, or misleading was actually there in plain sight in the doctors surgery.

[LaganOnABubble]

Anti vaxxers are putting us all at risk.

[bellinisurge]

If herd immunity fails, that creates a real risk of death for immunocompromised people. Or is that not evidence enough.

[ChopinIn10Minuets]

Oh, I'm definitely pro-vax, and this thread title is a perfect illustration of why we need MUCH better science education. This is not a political position. This is not a 'some people think this, others think that and the truth if you want to get good marks is somewhere in the middle' Social Issues English essay subject. There are actually right answers and wrong answers here, and wrong answers cost lives. Thousands of them. See also: climate change.

[BruceAndNosh]

Subacute sclerosing panencephaltis. Google it.
In layman's terms, your brain is irreversibly fucked.

There's a risk for you. A risk caused by measles

[Mokepon]

Even if it was just to say some people may have some kind of reaction or maybe the government could fund some more research into vaccines just something to show a bit of understanding about the heightened anxiety around them currently as it all seems very ‘ they are safe.

They do say that and there has been lots of research which tests the safety of vaccines. The government does not have limitless funds to educate people who are fundamentally unable to understand the concept of vaccinations and their benefits because a few years ago some arsehole decided to needlessly terrify people into believing that they were harmful simply to line his own pockets.

[Northernlurker]

Here's a link here showing a grave from the USA, 5 kids between the ages of 12 and 2 gone. Can you imagine the horror? Diphtheria is still a fatal illness

[PippilottaLongstocking]

I get where you’re coming from, I know a couple of children who had very severe reactions to jabs. One toddler stopped walking and talking but the mum was told that regression was a normal reaction so they weren’t worried. That child was later diagnosed with a brain tumour that they thought could have been diagnosed sooner if the doctors had looked for a cause for his regression rather than dismissing it as a vaccine reaction.

[Teakind]

I think medical professionals are quite open about talking about how of course every medicine and vaccine carries a risk of an adverse reaction. Science is very clear that the benefits massively outweigh the risks though.

I had a reaction to the MMR so I wasn’t given the boaster when I was at school. Thank goodness other people were vaccinated and herd immunity stopped me from catching any of the illnesses as tests as an adult showed I wasn’t immune. I’ve since had the vaccines again and have been absolutely fine.

I think we are so lucky to have the opportunity to protect our children from preventable diseases.

[Bigearringsbigsmile]

My children are vaccinated. However their vaccinations were administered in hospital by a consultant immunologist. This is because they both suffered from the same adverse reactions to the vaccines.
One of them is not immune to diphtheria because it was too dangerous to give him more vaccine and he had less chance of ever catching diptheria than he did of being ill because of the vaccine.
I considered it important for them to be immunised but it was also important for someone to acknowledge the problem.

It's the complete refusal to discuss anything other than the party line that instills fear in people I think.

[dadshere]

You can't change the mind of stupid illogical people with wisdom and logic. If you could there would be no stupid illogical people. People will believe what they want to believe despite contrary evidence. Anti-vaxers, flat earthers, many religious types etc

[TheFaerieQueene]

What a load of nonsense. Dangerous nonsense.

[PippilottaLongstocking]

Just want to add the the brain tumour was (presumably) unrelated to the vaccines but it was the ‘no no it’s fine, they’re safe, it’s normal’ attitude to vaccines that meant his tumour wasn’t diagnosed as soon as it could have been

[Lalliella]

You’re talking rubbish. I’ve reported you.

[ShadowLine]

There are risks to vaccines, yes, just as there are with everything in life. These risks aren’t hidden away.
Possible side effects from common ones like redness at the injection site through to life threatening allergic reactions are listed in the leaflets you’re given when your child’s vaccinated.

You’ve got to think of it in terms of risk vs benefit.

On the one side you have the benefit of protecting DC against diseases that can kill or permanently disable a child at worst and are unpleasant at best.

On the other side you’ve got a teeny tiny risk of a serious reaction to a vaccine.

In the vast majority of cases, the benefits of the vaccinations far outweigh the risks.