Help me with words I can’t pronounce

[Thisisthelaststraw]

Prompted by a few recent threads. I’ve realised there are loads of words I can’t pronouce. I can probably google or something but all together here seems better.

I’ve only in the last number of years figured out hyperbole is not hyper bowl and superfluous is not super-flu-us

Here are ones I still can’t pronounce..

Archetypal
Macabre
Gillet
Hegemony
Chipotle

There’s actually loads more I just can’t think of now.

I say coose coose

@Frangipane

Until I go to an Italian restaurant and ask for "brusketta" in which case the waiter says "ah, the brooooshettta!"

And vice versa. It's like a weird game Italian waiters play on me.

Yes, I'm southern English. I have always had difficulty saying r. Slight bit of Jonathan Ross going on with me, though people are surprised when I admit to feeling insecure about saying words beginning with r so I can't be as 'bad' as him. But it does mean puh and pur sound the same when I say them. Anyway, the video implies it is more p'cahn.

I don’t even know what peen o’shea means.

I've always wondered about chutzpah? Anyone speak Hebrew? It's brilliant when you want to say he's got a brass neck but be more polite. But I can't bloody pronounce it 🙄

Marylebone as said by a Londoner is somewhere between Marleybone and Mairburn.
Everyone else seems to say Marry Lee bone

Actually now I've sounded it out in my head it's Marlybun

Agreed unlurk, I've wondered how to say that too. Is the ch like a hhh? But then what?

I live in east Anglia and I still struggle with some Norfolk and Suffolk place names - sproughton is one I can’t ever get right

Spror-ton

Marylebone as said by a Londoner is somewhere between Marleybone and Mairburn.
Everyone else seems to say Marry Lee bone

I was told Mar-lee-bon

Haysbruh and Windum
Marleybone

Theydon Bois in Essex was a good one too - Theydon Boys

And the river Stour on the Suffolk/Essex border is pronounced like Store, not St-ow!-er like the one elsewhere

Anyway, the video implies it is more p'cahn. P'cahn is probably more accurate, but then again, it depends on accent. There have been at least seven distinct linguistic areas identified just in the state of Georgia; there is a wide variation in Southern US accents.

I think these kinds of threads are my favorites on MN. I always learn something.

Yes actually it would be more like Marleybun but not un as in bun, more an uh sound with an n that isn’t emphasised. I can’t think of a word that has the right sound for comparison.

It’s horrible when you’re self conscious about things. I wasn’t trying to take the mickey out of you Frangipane, I was just trying to explain how the sounds are two definite different sounds outside the south of England.

Which brings us to - how do you say Frangipane! I am saying fran gee pan, but maybe it’s pan-ee?

Marr Le Bun, with the u like oo in book

Oh no how embarrassing! I’m always going on about the Stower (almost rhymes with cower) Valley footpath 😳😳😳

I thought Sprorton was a joke and insist it’s Sprout On. Or Spruffton!

I can't get over p'cahn...... I mean, who first determined how this nut was pronounced? Is it a native American word? And if so, why did it get spelt with an E?

@LadyOfTheCanyon

Now you see I would question the authenticity of any Italian waiter who insisted on the broooshetta pronunciation. But then I see down below it seems the Sicilians might do so. My Italian teacher is from Turin and was most scathing about this.

It was probably from the Algonquian speaking people but why wouldn’t there be an E in it?

Solasum there are way too many ways to pronounce ‘book’ for that to work

Frangipane, you can't really have a word beginning with pc. We use vowels to break up the consonants.

Sicilians just do say shh a lot, like shishilianu = sicilianu

@3out I didn't mean to make you feel you had been getting at me! Don't worry, I didn't take it that way, just couldn't hear the distinction. I showed your post to dh though and he got it straightaway. (but I still can't pronounce the 2 sounds differently!)

Frangipane is Italian, and pronounced Fran gee pan ay.

Until a native Italian speaker comes along and tells us differently!

Yes, sorry, I get the need for vowels. I guess if I heard pecan being pronounced for the first time, the American way, and had to write it down, I would write percan.