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Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

999 replies

KenAdams · 19/02/2019 18:48

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

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GrubbyHipsterBeard · 19/02/2019 19:40

mistri could you help me with the law that says she has to be convicted of a crime in order for her citizenship to be revoked? Because I really am not sure that’s right. And if it’s not right, then your comment about us (not) upholding the rule of law can’t stand.

goldengummybear · 19/02/2019 19:40

You can't cure paedophiles, racists or homophobic people so can you cure religious extremists? I mean these people truly believe that they are in the right and I suspect that the ones who do see the light and change have a life experience that makes them question their preconceptions.

Can you really deradicalize someone without some sort of force like torture?

MillytantForceit · 19/02/2019 19:40

May built her reputation on deporting Abu Qatada (rhymes with Have A Banana!)

Saylav · 19/02/2019 19:40

As for why she has garnered so much attention?

Because she is unrepentant and only wants to come back apparently because it's pretty crap now. Because she is female and has a new baby. Because she is a goodlooking girl. Because the media interviewed her several times. Because she still wants to live under Sharia law but wants to come back to the UK?

JacquettaW · 19/02/2019 19:40

Good. She gave up her right to this country when she went there. I have no sympathy.

I'm Mancunian with a friend with PTSD after being in the arena and I can summon up zero fucks after her comments. She can rot for all I care

CameliaCamelia · 19/02/2019 19:41

I literally know nobody in RL who thinks she should come back.....no one!

And none on my social media etc think she should either

Just the bleeding hearts of mumsnet! This is the ONLY place

Chloemol · 19/02/2019 19:41

Great

goldengummybear · 19/02/2019 19:41

Basically just a PR move by the government. It's win-win for them - either she doesn't appeal, so it stands; she does and loses, so it stands; or she does and wins, and the government get to blame the judges and use it as further "proof" that we should leave ECHR. No one's any safer or better off but hey, Javid gets a boost to his leadership chances with the Tory membership

It's distracting us from Brexit, Honda etc

SassitudeandSparkle · 19/02/2019 19:41

She must have dual citizenship, it's the only way they could revoke and not leave her stateless.

NothingOnTellyAgain · 19/02/2019 19:42

She's ours, we can't just offload people who commit crimes onto other countries.

This sets a really dodgy precendent.

The person who said Bangladesh can have her, they've taken 1,000,000 from Myanmar what difference does 1 more make

I thought the point was she was too dangerous to have here
So to send her somewhere else
That was much poorer
Even before they got vast vast numbers of extra people to try to look after
How are they supposed to keep track of her better than us
Has she committed a crime against bangladesh, can they even try her, imprison her, I have no idea

The right thing to do is us to deal with our own problems ourselves
She comes back
Baby is adopted out / or if she has suitable family who are prepared to take
She gets tried for terrorism offences

Dumping someone who is too dangerous to come here on another country that has nothing to do with this, and is already struggling, washing our hands of her and saying your problem

I mean that's just wrong

Ditto if it's the Dutch we're planning on palming her off onto

Talk about shirking responsibility. Awful decision.

SinglePringle · 19/02/2019 19:42

I think it’s a chess manoeuvre on behalf of the government.

They can’t be seen to ‘bring her home’ or allow her to make her own way - the press would bay for blood and she’d become an icon of dissent. Plus she would be a potential target for people.

But if they kick it into the long grass, either a) her family appeal and she comes back after some months, under the cover of darkness & no one knows she’s back (and therefore she’s safe from mobs) or

B) they’ve arranged for her citizenship in another country (Bangladesh / Holland) so again, she is safe from mobs.

Either way, the government look like they’ve taken a stand. But in reality - it’s a PR job.

LuckyMarmiteLover · 19/02/2019 19:42

I don’t think this is a good thing. Her son is likely to grow up hating the west and will be much more likely to become a terrorist himself. I think she should come back and face justice here.

TallulahBetty · 19/02/2019 19:42

Good. It's not like she popped to Spain to run a bar for God's sake.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 19/02/2019 19:42

Other counties have Sharia law she's welcome too reach out to them and live under it... dream come true surely...

goldengummybear · 19/02/2019 19:42

Sorry- the copy and paste was because I agree.

ID81241 · 19/02/2019 19:43

Her family will definitely appeal.

Although the media are not reporting the grounds for revoking Begum's citizenship - I imagine the Home Secretary has done so under s.40 of the British Nationality Act, which allows the state to revoke citizenship on the grounds that:

"it would be conducive to the public good to deprive the person of his or her British nationality, and that s/he would not become stateless as a result of the deprivation"

Begum won't be stateless as she has dual Bangladeshi nationality.

Hopefully this is a decision that can stand up to appeal, but I fear it won't since the grounds are so vague.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 19/02/2019 19:43

But lucky her son will grow up hating us whatever we do... especially if she's facing trial and deeply believes what she's been taught

The only way to stop him being a threat is too get him adopted

ooooohbetty · 19/02/2019 19:44

@CameliaCamelia MN is the only place lots of things happen that don't seem to happen in real life. I don't know anyone who thinks she should be allowed back either. And I don't know one single person stockpiling for Brexit Smile

NothingOnTellyAgain · 19/02/2019 19:45

Why do we expect another country to clean up our mess.

Why don't we want to try her? To see justice done?

I thought that we were supposed to be principled.

The comment about 300 other IS fighters having come back is also interesting. She is being treated differently. This is political then. She is being used as a pawn / example in someone elses game. Which I wouldn't care about, apart from, I doubt the game-players intentions are good.

YeOldeTrout · 19/02/2019 19:45

I feel like she'll never face justice for her part in supporting IS. I don't want the baby to suffer, but I don't want her getting off scot free, either.

Saucery · 19/02/2019 19:45

Can’t deradicalise people? Really?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maajid_Nawaz

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CameliaCamelia · 19/02/2019 19:45

She will have family in Bangladesh

StarbucksSmarterSister · 19/02/2019 19:46

I'm sure this is illegal. I'd also like to know are they going to do the same thing to all the others who've already come back before her?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 19/02/2019 19:46

But it sets a precedent

Not if the Home Office can't make it stick it doesn't ... in fact it could make us look even weaker than we do already