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Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

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KenAdams · 19/02/2019 18:48

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

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Budsbegginingspringinsight · 20/02/2019 09:34

Hot pot.

Iraq war was disgrace but please don't negate fact sadam Hussein was actually despot who plundered Iraq and it's people for his personal use... hardly a war waged on Muslim!!

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 20/02/2019 09:37

Not.. how can we know this!
There is documented group of British women walking around policing other locals in dress, carrying out torture Etc.reporting others how can we know it's not her... you don't know until you gather victims stories, contain perps.... and Proactivity gather evidence...

KingWillyWillyWeetie · 20/02/2019 09:37

queenie I thought that there was some uncertainty as to whether she was born British or not, depending on whether her parent/s had settled status at the time of her birth. If they didn’t, then she would have to acquire British nationality. (Which my kids BTW do not have.)

HotpotLawyer · 20/02/2019 09:38

I don’t negate that fact.
I’ll go and check for the Muslim spokespeople who thanked Bush and Blair for their intervention!

MillytantForceit · 20/02/2019 09:39

ECHR is the court of the Council of Europe, founded in 1949 and proposed by Winston Churchill in 1943. All European nations are members except the Stalinist dictatorship of Belarus.

The ECHR rules on cases brought under the European Convention on Human Rights. In the UK, this power is now vested in the UK courts by incorporating the Convention into UK law.

KingHenrysCodpiece · 20/02/2019 09:40

So is there effectively a sort of two tier citizenship in this country then?

You could be British and be stripped of your citizenship if you're simply entitled to apply for a parent/grandparents citizenship?

KingWillyWillyWeetie · 20/02/2019 09:40

There isn’t such a thing as ‘registered british’. You are or you are not british. That’s it.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-to-register-as-british-citizen-form-t

ColdNeverBotheredMeAnyway · 20/02/2019 09:47

If she was genuinely fearful for her baby's health (the baby she never even looked at during her interview) then she would have come across as a lot more sincere, and would be grateful to be offered any safe sanctuary.

She isn't. She just sounds bored, disillusioned and like she thought she'd chance her luck and try and come back home for an easier life.

The journalist kept giving her the opportunity to make a plea to her family. Not once did she say she loved them, or missed them. Now, granted, perhaps she came from an unhappy family and doesn't really miss them. But she's sure as hell trying to use them now.

NotMySquirrel · 20/02/2019 09:48

Which is exactly what the U.K. government has just done with her.
(And left Syria in the shit, having to deal woth a dangerous person, regardless of the cost we don’t want to pay)

To be fair, if Syria flew her here I think at this point they'd have to take her in. I believe extradition costs are met by the country the person is currently in - we wouldn't expect someone from Nepal or wherever to come and collect someone we were trying to extradite. I think Syria just have bigger fish to fry atm.

NotMySquirrel · 20/02/2019 09:49

Correction:

To be fair, if Syria flew her here I think at this point we'd have to take her in.

PostmanPatIsIncompetent · 20/02/2019 09:57

Sorry, should have defined my terms - European Convention on Human Rights. Sets out basic rights of individuals to life, liberty, etc. Formed after WWII, the UK was a key country in drafting it and getting it agreed.

In countries signed up to ECHR, if the state does something that goes against those rights, the courts - ultimately the European Court of Human Rights but, since the Human Rights Act, our courts as well - can tell them not to. Very broadly speaking.

(International law is so complicated I wouldn't even begin to try to set out which laws and treaties could be relevant to this case, though. That was just to explain what I meant by my comment, because ECHR law tends to be blamed when immigration decisions go against the government)

PostmanPatIsIncompetent · 20/02/2019 09:58

X-post!

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 20/02/2019 10:03

To be fair, if Syria flew her here I think at this point they'd have to take her in. I believe extradition costs are met by the country the person is currently in

Syria would pay for the extradition, yes, but we'd hold her and then deport her to Bangladesh, I believe. She currently holds no British citizenship until she successfully appeals. She'd be entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship through her bloodline (my understanding is there is no way for Bangladesh to refuse that now), but she'd likely be held there until citizenship was processed.

KingHenrysCodpiece · 20/02/2019 10:03

I dont understand this 'she never looked at her baby nonsense'

According to her she lost two babies before 19. Theres a high chance she will lose another. It's not a stretch to think she might find it difficult to bond with another one or is experiencing extreme PND.

I had such severe PND with DS 2 I literally handed him over to a neighbour once when he would not sleep. I turned up at her doorstep 9:30 at night and handed him over saying 'He doesn't like me, take him away'.

I certaintly wasn't likable in that moment but thankfully my neighbour knew how incredibly stressed I was, had common sense and returned him 2 hours later fast asleep and made me a cup of tea.

Going to Isis is terrible she should be judged on that, not on how much she looks at/ holds her baby.

KenAdams · 20/02/2019 10:04

Catching up here but so much here is being stated as fact when it's incorrect.

So far posters have claimed she was born in the UK and born in Bangladesh (it can't be both), she has dual nationality, she was naturalised but wasn't naturalised, her father is a flag burner (that was Amira Abases dad), her mother is dead, alive or went to join ISIS herself and she does and doesn't have siblings (she has a sister whose passport she stole to get to Turkey).

So I'm really none the wiser! I'll have a read of the BBC article that was linked to, hopefully that might clear a few things up.

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MillytantForceit · 20/02/2019 10:08

Syria is a failed state drawn on the back of a napkin by Colonial Secretary Winston Churchill in 1920.

The refugee camps are in Kurdish controlled areas. The Kurds would want independence, but the Turks aren't having that.

It's all a mess.

why100000 · 20/02/2019 10:10

I feel so torn about this.

I do not like her at all, but I think it is the government’s duty to allow her home and to de-radicalise her.

I agree that there is dog whistling going on.

Rainbunny · 20/02/2019 10:13

People are making many assumptions about this woman when we really don't know much other than the fact that through her own words she is not repentant and doesn't regret anything she's done. The assumption that she is a victim is simplistic and doesn't help address the threat to British safety that thousands of British ISIS supporters returning to the UK poses.

The George Washington University Program on Extremism (in Washington DC) has been tracking foreign fighters who joined ISIS and Seamus Hughes, deputy director of the George Washington program, said there were “thousands of legitimate reasons to question the sincerity” of appeals from people now wanting to return home.

“The foreign women of the Islamic State, while often reduced to simplistic narratives about ‘jihadi brides,’ ‘brainwashing’ and ‘online grooming,’ aided and abetted many of these atrocities and in some cases directly perpetrated them,” he said.

This woman may not have directly participated in bloodshed but she willingly and still without regret helped participate in the Caliphate and contributed to its existence. Don't forget that By the time she joined the caliphate in 2015, its crimes were well documented, including beheading journalists, enslaving and systematically raping women from the Yazidi minority and burning prisoners alive.

I think she'll end up winning an appeal to retain her British citizenship and will return but I don't believe she will ever change her views.

MillytantForceit · 20/02/2019 10:17

The First Lady of Syria, Aasma ('Emma') Assad, is a British Citizen wanted for complicity in Crimes against Humanity.

LanaorAna2 · 20/02/2019 10:27

Just watched all her interviews - big liar, isn't she. Never acknowledged the presence of her own baby in the room. Seems fine with killing innocent people.

IS did a good job on the radicalisation.

NotMySquirrel · 20/02/2019 10:27

I do not like her at all, but I think it is the government’s duty to allow her home and to de-radicalise her.

You can't forcibly deradicalise an adult and even if you could, we don't have the resources to deradicalise all of them. Clearly her views are very wrong but we do still have freedom of thought in this country and can't change force her to change her thinking. I think we'll end up allowing her back here, but it's safer for all for the moment that she remains in an area without Internet access.

Imnotswallowingthat · 20/02/2019 10:31

All of these people saying "bring her home" - who is going to bring her home exactly ? Are you volunteering to go and fetch her ? Or do you mean someone else should risk their life going to a war zone to fetch her ?

As for the revokation of her citizenship, this is perfectly legal under the British Nationality Act and has been enshrined in law since 1981. Its not something they've just made up for this girl.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 20/02/2019 10:32

She wasn't born in Bangladesh. She doesn't need to be; that's not how their citizenship.

According to the transcript of her latest interview, she is going to try and get Dutch citizenship via her husband.

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Humptydoo · 20/02/2019 10:38

According to the transcript of her latest interview, she is going to try and get Dutch citizenship via her husband.

That’s already made the Dutch Daily Mail equivalent! But it’s impossible. That’s just not how it works here.

The Netherlands has stripped 14 dual national jihadi types of their Dutch citizenship already this year, I can’t see them happily taking in someone else’s! Being married to a Dutch citizen gives you no legal rights whatsoever, just like being married to a Brit doesn’t.

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