Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

[KenAdams]

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

I find it interesting that so many posters on this thread have sympathy for her because she is British, attractive and on TV.

While having zero sympathy for all the young women and children in Syria who are not British, attractive and on TV.

Or even the children and teenagers killed in Manchester.

Where is your concern for their human rights ?

The power of “celebrity” indeed.

Dianne I think trying to compare this to the Rotherham girls is unfair.

Apple's and pears totally different situation. And the girl who was groomed send then sadly went onto draw other innocent girls in , was charged I believe.

You cannot by any stretch of the imagination pretend this girl went blind into sheer medieval horror here.

Unfortunately the names and family details Keep getting mixed up here.

But I think these girls all knew each other? Or not...

Re colour....bizzare claims to make... one of the greatest travesties of ww2 was that so many Nazi's managed to escape justice....we don't want that to happen here.

Sorry no time to read all. May have been answered already.

A PP states her mother is dead. Newsnight said the letter was sent to her mother?

I agree completely Tiny

It's important that all statements are looked at critically - we do not know whether it was incompetence or other reason.

Like the iffy comparison between her and returnees - when it perhaps should be to the hundred or so who did not return as can itzenship rescinded.

A PP states her mother is dead. Newsnight said the letter was sent to her mother?

There are two almost identically named girls, both at the same school, both of whom went to Syria. One has a dead mother and was raised by a religious fanatic uncle. The other is this one. It's confusing.

The parents in this case appear to be alive, although the father has fucked off to Bangladesh (if indeed he ever really lived here).

We cannot be seen to be soft on ISIS returnees. Nor do we want Hezbollah sponsored assassinations on British streets

We ve already let 100s of males return, with no consequence! why would a Iranian backed group take part in assassinations on uk soil when they've a refugee camp of 30000 to choose from?

The political stability of Britain has to come first, and the possible blowback of allowing Begum to return to the UK is too great a risk

Yep UK Govt has done a bloody fantastic job of that haven't they? lol!

Begum has made herself a modern Myra Hindley type figure

So, this woman has now murdered children? there is absolutely zero evidence she saw or took part in the murder of anyone.

the UK right wing media have created this hate toward her and the idiots who believe their bile... this story was first broken by a Murdock owned paper, Trump is a misogynist and a racist, he and Murdock are friends... says it all really.
The uk population just love to be manipulated.

I find it interesting that so many posters on this thread have sympathy for her because she is British, attractive and on TV.

Attractive? Seriously? We're watching the same interviews, right?

She did marry an older man who possibly groomed her,

Honestly the double standards here are laughable. When is it EVER not grooming if a 15 year old (A child) marries and older man? Of course she was groomed. Several reports I’ve read and Dal Babu said that her husband was 27 when she 1st married him. Not that his age particularly matters, as SHE WAS 15!!

She's the manipulator here.

If Isis were still as 'popular' as they were when she joined, you could bet your life she wouldn't be begging to come back here.

She's not a victim, this is an act of self preservation. That makes her even more dangerous imo.

I despair at the goody brigade, after all she's said about the Manchester bombings etc.
She clearly still believes in the reasons she went out there, she's just clever enough to know she's on a hiding to nothing, with them now being disbanded.

Let her reap what she has sown.

Honestly the double standards here are laughable. When is it EVER not grooming if a 15 year old (A child) marries and older man? Of course she was groomed. Several reports I’ve read and Dal Babu said that her husband was 27 when she 1st married him. Not that his age particularly matters, as SHE WAS 15!!

The press is reporting that he is currently 26 years old so "married off to a man twice her age" is an unnecessary exaggeration. She went to join a terrorist group and was a fighter's bride within weeks of arriving, the whole situation is deeply f-cked up on its face without embellishing details.

Tiny she's from a culture where sadly child marriage Etc is common, arranged marriages are common .

Age of consent is 14 in Bangladesh.
The pp saying she's been brutalised Etc and we've failed her, to an extent I agree but we operate a two teir system in UK based on cultural sensitivity....so what do we do about that.

Whole huge network communities with no intention of integrating, marrying westerners exist here.... practise fgm Etc how do we break through and reach them?

She went there to get a jihadi husband she swoons over how she'd never get a hus like that here. Her choice.

People who do not accept our way of life, & want to continue with their medieval practices should not be allowed to live here.
End of.
I wouldn’t be allowed to walk around certain countries drinking alcohol in a crop top. & if I did I’d be thrown in jail!
We’re too bloody soft.

Not that this is about looks, but surprised a previous poster described her as attractive. In fact I did wonder if it was because of her looks that she thought she would have a better chance of getting a husband over there, than here.

surferjet
I agree.

To those saying she should come back, would you want her living on your street?

I find it interesting that so many posters on this thread have sympathy for her because she is British, attractive and on TV.

While having zero sympathy for all the young women and children in Syria who are not British, attractive and on TV.

Funnily enough I happen to be capable of feeling sorry for a victim of a crime and also caring about due process at the same time. And even more strangely so can others.

Can I ask, are you like this when other crimes are reported? When you hear that someone has stabbed someone in cold blood on television, do you think 'I hope the police just throw the suspect in jail, or take away their citizenship with no investigation, no trial, no access to proper healthcare, and no review of their case? Just bang them up or expell them from the country on hearsay?

Not that this is about looks, but surprised a previous poster described her as attractive. In fact I did wonder if it was because of her looks that she thought she would have a better chance of getting a husband over there, than here.

I though the same. Actually seems to me a lot of this boils down to sex. A bunch of 20 something guys running around with guns looking for faithful wives. A 15 year old virgin joining ISIS probably had her pick of the cutest ones.

I've read that she said at interview that she was inspired to join ISIL in part by videos of fighters beheading hostages... If that was the initial inspiration, the woman who groomed her didn't exactly have a hard job (apparently she was groomed by a woman from Glasgow called Mahmood). Doesn't make it right of course, but to me it sounds like she went a fair way along the path of extremism under her own steam. And 15 is well over the age of criminal responsibility.

I hear a very nice argument about the idea of just leaving people who are ‘terrorists’ where they are (and belong).

It goes like this

If you think it’s ok for her to be left in Syria or stripped of her citizenship and send to whatever other country. And it’s and ok and legal thing to do.
Then surely this shouod be the same for any of the dangerous people we, as the U.K., extradicate back to their own country. If their country doesn’t want them, then we shouod be keeping them ‘where they be,OMG and committed the crimes’??
Are we really happy to not send anyone ‘back home’ and keep the murderers, rapists and whatnot in the country?

If we say that she has the possibility to get another citizenship anyway so it doesn’t matter, even if that person has never set foot in said country, can we also remembervthat many people in the U.K. are entitled to Irish citizenship because a grand parent was Irish.
Would it be ok too to send dangerous criminals to Ireland because they cost too much/are dangerous and they are entitled to the Irish citizenship anyway? Couod we see that happening? (Even more relevant of course with Brexit...)

Basically, whatever decision we take regarding her case, shouod be something we are happy to see happening to us too. This is why it’s worth thinking about it. Because any precedent can have long lasting effect, esp with the way the judicial system is working.

What's the background here.... how close was she to the other begum who went too rallies age 13 Etc....

Actually seems to me a lot of this boils down to sex. A bunch of 20 something guys running around with guns looking for faithful wives. A 15 year old virgin joining ISIS probably had her pick of the cutest ones.

Interesting POV... what I ve heard is more that, because there are so few women around, they are ‘shared’ (read raped) between the men. And they certainly don’t have a choice in who to be with.
I’d be very wary of any idea that makes the way they lived somehow attractive or nice. I did t ‘being able to pick up the cutest guy’ is anywhere near the top of your agenda when you are at war, bombs dropping right left and centre and you fear for your life on a daily basis

She doesn't need to be a citizen of Bangladesh. She just needs to be eligible, which she is, as Bangladesh uses bloodlines and her mother is a citizen. There is legal cause to believe that Bangladesh will allow her to pass her citizenship to her son, too.

But she'll appeal this and it'll take two years or so, and she'll be in Syria whilst that goes on. So whether the HO is right or wrong, they've delayed the decision effectively.

I agree with those who say this is a dangerous precedent. She should be sent back to the UK so we can put her through our justice system like all other criminals. And maybe save her son at the same time.

She would probably end up with a severe sentence for her crimes which she deserves- but she isn't Bangladesh's home grown terrorist why should they have her? This country failed her by not safeguarding her and her friends from being groomed and in turn she has failed British values by supporting Isis.

We cannot, as a country, object In future when foreign criminals are stripped of their citizenship by wherever they came from on questionable dual citizenship laws and they won't have them back, leaving them for us to deal with.

Queenie I see what you’re saying (and I don’t disagree) but I don’t think people can be stripped of citizenship while still in the country of their citizenship? Unless there’s some reason why they never should have had it in the first place (eg fraud) or the government lying and cheating (eg Windrush). So you couldn’t just tell all dual-citizen Brits in the UK that they had to leave.

If laws were changed, though, they could make people choose, but some countries eg Morocco don’t allow you to renounce citizenship.