Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

[KenAdams]

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

The girl is not intelligent. She might seem it in comparison to a bunch of dumb people ie other deflectors, but if that’s what ISIS tout as their intelligent elite then no wonder the caliphate fell.

So that means that first/second/third generation immigrants to Britain who have either become or been born British citizens will now always be second-class citizens, vulnerable to a loss of citizenship in a way in which a child born in the UK to a solely British family is not

This is essentially almost what happened with the children born in the uk to parents or grandparents who were Windrush generation. Third generation British citizens with passports, living their lives then suddenly Teresa May removed a protection in the law concerning their parents/grandparents who had not made formal citizenship in the 80s (some did not make effort to get it formalised as they were born in countries that were British territories at the time of their birth)
They suddenly found they were not British because their parent or grandparents were no longer officially British. You had 3 generations in a family suddenly be told they were not citizens but Jamaican etc even though some had no formal dual citizenship although being eligible to apply.

This is worse because that situation involved removing a protection and you could argue it was sloppy planning. This is being done deliberately. I agree it does suggest 2nd class citizenship for those cannot prove a straight line of british citizenship at least 4 generations back.

AlexaShutUp I've been listening since 10pm and honestly, the woman is all about 'law' (and doesn't even seem to have a grasp of it) and he's expressing what I think most people are thinking.

Some things you just can't come back from. That's the nub of it - deradicalising people is bloody difficult. Usually impossible.

They get 'desensitised' which is jargon for 'becoming a danger to themselves or others'. Usually 'others'. I

In a complete departure from protocol, psychologists, social workers and judges are open about how disturbing the thought processes of a radical are.

Even High Court judges and expert witnesses, who are trained to be dispassionate and use neutral language, come out with statements like 'the most chilling testimony I have ever heard' and 'presents a serious risk to the public' - about children. Children who haven't done anything, either.

IS grooming isn't a lollipop and a Primark voucher. Just one example - 100s of hours of hardcore snuff movies, shown on a loop, to children, all the time. All the time. At home. All the time. Peppa Pig soundtrack is replaced by tapes of screaming children being murdered. Then more VT of live torture and murder. Until the children start asking to see it instead of Peppa Pig.

So you tell me how she got plastered globally as the girl who wants to come home. Why her and not thousands of others in need with their babies?

Didn't a reporter specifically go looking for a couple of jihadi brides to question for a story? Some volunteers brought her and another woman to him. He had no idea who she was at first. No one leaves the camp. Its essentially a prison without the name. So I heard on the radio, no one leaves. Not without some help.

I don't know how the hell Syria/Iraq is going to come back from this. A whole generation of local children have been indoctrinated by ISIS in the schools and the streets (against their parents will or otherwise). Those kids won't have access to specialist services, either.

I'm sorry, I misunderstood, Turtle.

We have a similar case pending in the US.

ISIS Bride in Refugee Camp Now Thankful for Freedoms We Have in America

Hoda Muthana now admits that joining a terrorist groups and urging American Muslims to commit mass murder by driving a lorry into a crowd was a "big mistake".

I hope she loses her American citizenship as well.

What I'm saying about this breaking the law along with @KingHenrysCodpiece's post is really worrying. Think about this in your glee - this government is prepared to break international law and remove nationality and responsibility for its citizens on a whim. That's disturbing.

Personally I'd far rather she was where the authorities in this country knew where she is - here, in prison and being questioned for intelligence purposes - rather than still out there doing who knows what. And the baby who is a complete innocent be safe here.

Unfortunate autocorrect in my last post. We were actually talking about how unintelligent he seemed. He might well be saying what lots of people are thinking but that doesn't mean he is right.

Of course, a lot of people see the rule of law as a terrible inconvenience. From my point of view, it's one of the British values that I am inclined to cherish.

Didn't a reporter specifically go looking for a couple of jihadi brides to question for a story? Some volunteers brought her and another woman to him. He had no idea who she was at first. No one leaves the camp. Its essentially a prison without the name. So I heard on the radio, no one leaves. Not without some help.

I'm not sure, but considering reporters have been deliberately killed and some only survived a shelling with major injuries and got back near death then it was a brave move. I'll look in to it thank you, but I may add with some suspicion as to why her and the timing.

"this government is prepared to break international law"

Which law is this? Genuine question

this government is prepared to break international law and remove nationality and responsibility for its citizens on a whim. That's disturbing
That have said that international law prevents revoking citizenship if it renders someone stateless. As a dual citizen, (Bangladeshi and British), this doesn’t apply, and therefore no international law is bein broken.
Also sounds as though she is NOT the first who went off to the Islamic State to have their citizenship revoked.

Smellbellina Tue 19-Feb-19 23:39:39
Really hope her and her young baby are allowed back soon

Why though? Her baby's done nothing wrong. Deserves a chance to grow up innocent.
Her, on the other hand, made her choice. Regardless of whether a teen or not.

I've finally watched the interview with her. She comes across utterly insincere and completely lacking remorse.

At one point she even rudely checks her phone while the journalist is speaking to her! When being given an opportunity to plead for mercy from her government, or apologise to her family.. she instead looks bored and checks her phone..!

She then goes on to claim she can't read the stories online because she doesn't have a phone...

Did anyone else notice that she didn't look at her baby once, not once during the entire interview... when it was squalling beside her. That's not normal or natural for a new mother surely...

Good.

I don’t think she’s very bright.

I've finally watched the interview with her. She comes across utterly insincere and completely lacking remorse.

At one point she even rudely checks her phone while the journalist is speaking to her! When being given an opportunity to plead for mercy from her government, or apologise to her family.. she instead looks bored and checks her phone..!

She then goes on to claim she can't read the stories online because she doesn't have a phone...

Did anyone else notice that she didn't look at her baby once, not once during the entire interview... when it was squalling beside her. That's not normal or natural for a new mother surely...

All of this. ^ And yeah she is not very bright ... Thick as a jar of chutney actually.

Is there anything you want to say to your family?
Get me home

They were really worried about you when you left...
Just keep trying to get me home

Do you have any message you’d like to give them
They did ask me to come back and I said no, no. So I suppose it’s a slap in the face now I want to come home.

And now, the U.K. government swiftly delivers her that slap in the face.

I don't give a shit whether brown, white, male, female, old, young.
If you're still a potential threat bye bye then. Colour of skin nothing to do with it for me.

So can you give a link to your threads/posts about your Internet posts to the Eamonn Bradley case Glitter, or did you not give a shit? Because he was a white adult man of Christian, European descent, rather than a brown girl?

I think lots of my points have been summed up.Bound to happen this many pages in!
She has dual nationality- so she wont be stateless
Her child probably still does hold British nationality as he was born before her citizenship was revoked. What happens to that child will be interesting and whether if he is re-patriated (and let's not forget he didn't leave to fight for ISIS so should enjoy British protection) she will be allowed to join him as part of his right to family life.
I am not sure how I feel about this, as one of my parents has nationality through marriage. I am uncomfortable but unfortunately she does not come across as a good case for bad law.

So can you give a link to your threads/posts about your Internet posts to the Eamonn Bradley case Glitter, or did you not give a shit? Because he was a white adult man of Christian, European descent, rather than a brown girl
Eh, what? No threads about internet posts or cases from me. I've just literally had to google who he was.
Allegedly
Accused of terrorism, attended terrorism training camps
Admitted travelling to Syria in 2014

Yeah, my stance isn't any way wavered and not sure why you think it would be.

You can think she is a terrorist scumbag and still have concerns about the what is being done.

Why is she so different to the others? Did they only have British citizenship, if any of them had other options as she did then why was the same not done to them?

Are you happy for this to work in reverse? So Britain in lumped with other countries criminals?

Have a think and ask questions.

I am not a particularly merciful or kind person and could not care less if she dies in a refugee camp - she probably has that coming. Unfortunately, she has chosen that fate for her child as well, it was her choice to make. Would she willingly surrender the child if given that option?

It is the bigger precedent we need to worry about.

It's not bad law. It's use of current law.

Arrested and charged with ISIS terrorist offences as an adult. With a fair amount of evidence. Which is a hell of a lot more than SB has. He's also a current UK resident.

So why your silence/ignorance on him? Why was he not enough of a threat for you to comment on, even after you've Google him? But you are happy for a young, brown girl to be stripped of nationality?