Page 22 | Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

KenAdams · 2019-02-19T18:48:54+00:00

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

Saylav · 19/02/2019 22:56

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Katterinaballerina · 19/02/2019 22:56

‘So that means that first/second/third generation immigrants to Britain who have either become or been born British citizens will now always be second-class citizens, vulnerable to a loss of citizenship in a way in which a child born in the UK to a solely British family is not.’

This

TheTurtleDidItAndRanAway · 19/02/2019 22:57

Nope, was definitely the IRA parents....

People are the products of their communities as a whole.

GlitterStick · 19/02/2019 22:57

WTAF!shock Eamonn Bradley wasn't stripped of his British citizenship, despite having dual nationality. But then he was a white adult man. Young, brown girls are obviously different and have no rights.hmmFuck that shit

I don't give a shit whether brown, white, male, female, old, young.
If you're still a potential threat bye bye then. Colour of skin nothing to do with it for me.

AlexaShutUp · 19/02/2019 22:58

So that means that first/second/third generation immigrants to Britain who have either become or been born British citizens will now always be second-class citizens, vulnerable to a loss of citizenship in a way in which a child born in the UK to a solely British family is not.

Exactly this. This is what makes me feel uneasy about this decision. It's a cheap political point for Sajid Javid but has worrying implications for millions of innocent British citizens.

SomethingOnce · 19/02/2019 22:58

Some people don’t conceive easily.

Saylav · 19/02/2019 22:58

All I did wrong, cos I'm very innocent was deciding to go to Ireland to find an IRA man to marry.

humptydoo · 19/02/2019 22:59

And stripping Boris of British citizenship because he could go live in the USA would be —entertaining— wrong.

I think he gave it up didn't he? So no such luck there.

In any case I think you have to be outside a country of nationality to renounce or be stripped of citizenship, don't you? At least under international law. But that's getting a bit off the track.

MadMum101 · 19/02/2019 23:00

From the sounds of it she's not even a naturalised British Citizen anyway, so the hand wringers can stop wringing.

The buck for her 'radicalisation' stops firmly at the door of her own family and community IMO. Wasn't she photographed at a flag burning 'protest' with her father before she left the UK? She's a home grown terrorist on the literal sense. The UK didn't raise her up to chose that path.

LanaorAna2 · 19/02/2019 23:00

Is this woman somehow less British simply because of her parentage? This makes me very uneasy tbh

Sorry to break it to you, but she's less British in the same way that Donald Trump is somehow less British for having American parents, or Nelson Mandela was for having Thembu parents in South Africa.

PreseaCombatir · 19/02/2019 23:01

It sets a pretty dangerous precedent

We’ve now decided that the government can unilaterally strip people of their British citizenship if they have or are potentially eligible for the citizenship of another country
So from what I understand, she was NOT a British citizen at birth, but a Bangladeshi one. Because her parents were not British citizens, and the UK is not like other countries like, say the US, whereby you automatically get citizenship by being born here.
So they are just applying the law at revoking citizenship as it would be applied to anyone else who had acquired it, and not had it at birth.
From what I understand anyway. It’s very confusing!

Saylav · 19/02/2019 23:01

If you become a terrorist you risk your citizenship being revoked.

That doesn't matter if you're Polish, Hungarian, Irish or Bangladeshi.

It has nothing to do with race and has everything to do with what becoming a citizen means. Google the British Citizenship test!

Katterinaballerina · 19/02/2019 23:01

Northern Irish terrorists weren’t stripped of citizenship when they could have moved to Ireland. So come on in you IRA strumpet.

TheTurtleDidItAndRanAway · 19/02/2019 23:01

So, would you let me back to have my baby here? I've done nothing wrong? HANDS UP

No one needs to "hands up" anything. You've described the same situation. If you are British you get to come back, because you are British.

The UK probably doesn't want to fuck off Ireland any more than it already has which means that you probably would have been brought back straight away whereas this girl gets to rot in a war torn country in a refugee camp.

Katterinaballerina · 19/02/2019 23:02

Again, the Real IRA members were not stripped of British citizenship.

ilikemethewayiam · 19/02/2019 23:03

Sorry, haven’t read the whole thread but the home office have said they can and have revoked her British citizenship because she has dual nationality. She has Bangladeshi citizenship therefore she is not stateless under international law. She has the right to appeal.

TheTurtleDidItAndRanAway · 19/02/2019 23:03

Sorry to break it to you, but she's less British in the same way that Donald Trump is somehow less British for having American parents, or Nelson Mandela was for having Thembu parents in South Africa.

Trump was born In Queens New York not East London.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 19/02/2019 23:06

Mad yes,he took her age 13 to flag burning rally organised by now banned terrorist organisation .

The groundwork for her leaving UK started way before she watched beheading.

What conversation was going on inside that house? For her whole life!
Who came to the house ..her dad wasn't back seat either... very clear snarling face right up by the flag... that's what dad is teaching her.

I was out in garden with my dad at 13 helping him plant veg Etc

AlexaShutUp · 19/02/2019 23:06

Sorry to break it to you, but she's less British in the same way that Donald Trump is somehow less British for having American parents, or Nelson Mandela was for having Thembu parents in South Africa.

Sorry, I don't get your point.

I'm British. My parents are British and I was born and brought up here. My dd is also British. She was born here, has only ever lived here, has only ever had a British passport. However, she could potentially claim a different nationality due to the birthplace of her father. Are you saying that this makes her less British than children who do not have this heritage?

Saylav · 19/02/2019 23:07

Northern Irish are part of the UK. I was talking about Irish.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 19/02/2019 23:07

I'm a keen gardener now, she's a terrorist.

cheesemongery · 19/02/2019 23:07

Only got to page 5...

I'm undecided but veering more to the don't let her in camp because she clearly isn't surviving only in the widows bunker, and her husband may still be alive and well as she - to put it bluntly - got knocked up 9 months ago.

Have we heard anything about her husband? I haven't. What a wonderful coup it would be to get back in to Britain with extreme idealist views whilst able to communicate with IS husband.

As for the 'poor child' brigade - she's been out there 4 years, apparently lost 2 children, is completely unrepentant and now is wanting to come home - heavily pregnant - not newly pregnant... with 3rd... because? Did she suddenly realise that 2 supposedly dead children were enough, did she not realise this newly pregnant with the 3rd - like - shit I need to get home now to save this baby?

Nah bollocks to her. Fuck her.

jacks11 · 19/02/2019 23:08

Having just listened to a legal expert on newsnight- the basics seems to be that you cannot stop someone of citizenship if that would make them stateless. If they have dual citizenship, or are eligible for dual citizenship, and it is deemed by the home secretary that the return of that person would not be conducive to the best interests of this country, then their citizenship can indeed be revoked.

Shamima Begum/her family say she does not have dual nationality. Her parents are Bangladeshi/of Bangladeshi origin and the law of that country states that anyone who has Bangladeshi parentage has a right to citizenship, regardless of where they were born. And if Shamima were to be eligible for Bangladeshi origin, it would follow that so would her son. There is a possible interpretation, according to this expert, that Shamima therefore does have a right to Bangladeshi nationality (even if she does not formally hold it now) and so can be stripped of British citizenship legally.

Her son would have a right to UK citizenship as his mother still had UK citizenship at the time of his birth,

Saylav · 19/02/2019 23:08

Again, you seem to not realise that NI belongs to you lol

FedUpOfBrexit · 19/02/2019 23:08

If she is as intelligent as people have been saying like she knew what she was getting into etc, as she was a bright girl why doesn’t she come across better in interviews?
Why doesn’t she tell interviewers what they want to hear to get back here by sympathy?
Like how sorry and stupid she was and of course she is sickened by what terrorists do and what she has seen and then a few fake tears etc
Why is she coming across as stupid and doesn’t seem bothered about her actions? That’s not very bright or her best chance at getting back into the UK if she has some master plan.
As someone else described she is coming across like a moody teenager, it’s all a bit bizarre that if she does have a master plan she really is playing it wrong getting people so angry at her nonchalant attitude to terrorism.

Why does she keep blinking a lot as well? Is she drugged?
The whole thing is strange and I’m glad she has been kept out but I’m wondering if she did show remorse would the public have given her a chance?