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Shamima Begum has her citizenship revoked

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KenAdams · 19/02/2019 18:48

How can this happen? I thought they aren't allowed to leave a person stateless? Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just wondering how they managed it.

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cherrryontop · 19/02/2019 19:56

Bloody hell, she's a traumatised kid with a baby, I despair

What about the dead, badly injured and traumatised terror attack victims and their families.

Mammajay · 19/02/2019 19:57

This might seem off the point but I watched a programme last week about a 16 year old welsh boy convicted of murdering two children. After 20 years they let him out. All the evidence now points to him having murdered 6 women working in the sex trade. I hope this girl never gets back here because it is impossible for the police or security services to watch everyone. And one less terrorist is surely a good thing? Her hatred would not be towards the Bangladeshi population and if she was born there, which has been suggested on the radio she has citizenship in Bangladesh.

KenAdams · 19/02/2019 19:57

So has she actually got dual nationality then or does she just have a right to Bangladeshi citizenship? I take it by us revoking, Bangladesh can't now do that as well so it's either Bangladesh or Syria for her. There is hardly an Islamic State any more is there - I understand their stronghold is tiny now and the air strikes aren't letting up either so she couldn't just go back there and I suspect she'd be in a hell of a lot of danger without her husband.

I've been back to watch that BBC video and her reaction to the mention of the Manchester bombings is chilling.

As others have mentioned, perhaps others that have come back don't have the right to any other citizenship or didn’t stay out there for very long.

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combatbarbie · 19/02/2019 19:57

Apparently she has dual Bangladeshi nationality from her parents.... the child is also dual with dutch so there are options.

The courts wouldn't have allowed the ruling if they didn't have their facts regarding her nationality.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 19/02/2019 19:57

Alaskan I agree, I think groundwork laid in family.

Mistigri · 19/02/2019 19:58

I'm going to keep asking this:

If this British-raised and radicalised teenager is too dangerous to allow back into Britain, why do you think it's OK to put Syrians or Bangladeshis in danger?

forestafantastica · 19/02/2019 19:58

It's pure racism. The message the government are sending is that if you have brown skin, if you are the child of immigrants, you're not really British. You're just allowed here to stay if you behave well.

She was born in the UK, she has never lived in Bangladesh, she does not currently have Bangladeshi citizenship and her family don't currently live in Bangladesh. She's British. She may well be a deeply troubled woman with some toxic political views but she's British and frankly I consider it indicative of a pretty solidly and unpleasant racist mindset to deny that.

AlaskanOilBaron · 19/02/2019 19:59

She is a traitor and has commited treason. The punishment for this should be severe. If you dont respect our beautiful country you have no right to be here.

You don't have to even respect the UK, you just have to not explicitly join terrorist organisations actively plotting against it.

Mistigri · 19/02/2019 19:59

It's not a court ruling; it's a home office decision that one imagines will be challenged in the courts.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 19/02/2019 19:59

OP , places like Saudi, Iran have Sharia law and don't live far off what Isis wants....murder, torture etc no female rights so she could ask too Go there.

surferjet · 19/02/2019 19:59

Mistigri

Would you feel the same if the girl in question was a young white girl who’d run off to join a far right group in the Ukraine?

Just wondering.

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eggsandwich · 19/02/2019 20:00

Good news!

Leave her where she is her family can send her food parcels so she’s not malnourished, which under the circumstances is showing more compassion than she did about the Manchester arena bombing, lets hope her child doesn’t attend a concert with the expectation of having a good time to end up traumatised by the event.

Intohellbutstayingstrong · 19/02/2019 20:01

Shocking and sinister. This country really is going to shit under this farce of a government. Using a brainwashed, easily led child who has now ruined her life and the lives of her children because of abusive radicalisers, as some sort of pawn to 'win over' the pubic and deflect from the shit show that is Brexit is NOT ok in my eyes

Oh FFS Hmm

lrh3891 · 19/02/2019 20:01

This is an outrageous decision but not one which surprises me. Political chess designed to distract from the fuck up that is Brexit. Britain should be ashamed of itself for allowing and supporting this decision. We have due process for dealing with criminals, we do not have the right- morally, at least, to dump our problems on poorer countries when they are problems created in ours. Regardless of whether one feels any sympathy for the girl- personally I don't, really (though I have enormous sympathy for her son)- the fact remains that it is a violation of her human rights to leave her stateless. If indeed she does have another citizenship it is a disgrace for Britain to wash its hands of the problem. Either way, I am disgusted.

Budsbegginingspringinsight · 19/02/2019 20:01

It's more than toxic political views and as someone said on another thread, has she ever been exposed too and lived by British values?

cupofteaandcake · 19/02/2019 20:01

How do we know she was brainwashed/groomed? People are making a massive assumption here and it seems that anyone who does anything like this is brainwashed. I don't think so, she clearly holds very strong beliefs and those beliefs do not fit here.

I am very very pleased her citizenship has been revoked but I am cautious about this. I too worry that this is government being seen to take action and then having to back down and then blaming EU law/human rights etc. I really hope not.

If it's true that she has Bangladeshi citizenship that surely she will be very pleased about this because she is desperate to get out of where she is. Given that Islam is the main religion of Bangladesh it will suit her very well.

I just hope we don't discover that the tax payer is funding her parents appeal.

outforawalkbitch2018 · 19/02/2019 20:01

Good

TearingUpMyHeart · 19/02/2019 20:01

So what is your answer to mistigri's question? Why is it ok to make her someone else's problem?

Farahilda · 19/02/2019 20:02

About 100 people who went to Syria no who were dual nationals have had their British citizenship revoked. If she is a dual national, the the Home Sec is following well established precedent.

The child may or may not be British - it rather depends on the category of citizenship she held before she was deprived of it. If she was born outside Britain, and so is British by descent, her child (also born outside UK) would not be British even if she were a model citizen.

The reasons for the Home Sec's decision are not public yet, but the family or their lawyer/spokesperson might make them known.

I think but happy to be corrected by people who know better) that Article 8 of the UN Treaty on Statelessness (to which we are signatories) does allow the deprivation of citizenship, even when that renders the person stateless, in certain exceptional circumstances:

"Article 8. Contracting States shall not deprive people of their nationality so as to render them stateless. (Exceptions: where otherwise provided in the Convention; where nationality has been acquired by misrepresentation or fraud; disloyalty to the Contracting State)"

Has that been superseded?

It's sod all to do with either EU or Brexit

cherrryontop · 19/02/2019 20:02

It's pure racism

Is it bollocks.

She joined a terrorist organisation that has attacked our country and caused so much damage and heartache to innocent people. She doesn't deserve to be here.

NotMyUsualTopBilling · 19/02/2019 20:02

Massive difference @Mistigri.

People don't generally flea to countries over run by terrorists in fear of their lives or in search of a better life. She went there for one reason, to assist terrorists, leave her with them.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm · 19/02/2019 20:02

I might have missed this... Where is her husband? And won't the baby be half British/half Dutch? is there definitely a baby? Does she never want/expect to see her husband again?

Will her husband/ISIS allow her to return to a Western life? she's only a woman If so, is there an ulterior motive of planting her back into British society with a newborn jihadi fighter-in-the-making. She seemed pretty unrepentant, even in her second interview, where she had obviously been coached to change her tune to be marginally more "apologetic".

sagradafamiliar · 19/02/2019 20:02

I can think of high profile terrorist figures in the past the government have done nothing about because it would have been unconstitutional, yet this teenage girl at this moment in time? And it's seen as a good thing? It stinks.

Mistigri · 19/02/2019 20:03

Would you feel the same if the girl in question was a young white girl who’d run off to join a far right group in the Ukraine?

Yes, absolutely. Why should Britain expect other countries to deal with teenagers raised and radicalised in the UK? It doesn't matter what colour they are, although you obviously think it does.

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