The rise of the far right

[Rory786]

Is anyone else concerned about the rise of the far right.

I just read that Marion Marechal Le Pen will be invited to speak at the Oxford Union following her aunt Marine Le Pen, Ann Coulter, Katie Hopkins, Tommy Robinson.

Scary teacher really good post's. I really enjoyed reading them.
I agree with so many points. Especially the one that says we have been in the eu for 40 years and we can't influence it.

I knew junker was frightening but wow those quotes are deeply disturbing.

Op I'm more concerned about far left than far right but in general both extremes worry me.

The far left however has more blood on its hands and a better pr machine

How has the U.K influenced the EU?

The most obvious indication of British influence in Brussels was the way in which the UK succeeded in shaping a number of core EC/EU policies. Prominent amongst these was the Internal Market, the central policy of the European Community’s mid-1980s revival. This was an initiative energetically championed by Margaret Thatcher’s government and one the implementation of which was masterminded by a British Commissioner, Arthur Cockfield. It was also a policy about which both Germany and France were much more ambivalent. British support and backing for it were thus essential to its realisation. And given the Single Market programme’s centrality to the direction of the Community/Union’s development over the subsequent period, the UK can thus legitimately claim to have had a decisive impact upon the whole trajectory of European integration in the final decades of the 20th century

This from the LSE

How has the U.K. influenced the EU?

As a member of the European Union, the UK has significant influence on the setting of standards and regulations both at a global and regional level
The UK is a member of the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) thanks to our membership of the EU and has voting rights

This is from ADS.

In the interest of balance there have been times where we have had little influence.

However, to say we have had 'no influence' is just wrong.

Quantify the balance, add some nuance. It is not as simple as yes or no.

The Brexit argument is diminished when you only put forward a simplistic point that you know is incorrect.

Mousse If referendums aren't binding in the UK, how come we joined the nascent EU in the 70s after a referendum? I would also point out that the 2011 referendum on moving to AV was legally binding and committed the government to acting on the result; The legislation is here : www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2011/1/section/8/enacted.

As you are evidently not aware of documented facts, can I disregard everything you say as well?

Things may be documented, but that means squat as to their interpretation, as my Public History MA holding son would tell you. Peace with Hitler may have been discussed, so what? Anyone with any military knowledge would tell you that it wouldn't have held and would have given Hitler time to plan the military occupation and subjugation of the UK. Hitler wasn't renowned for keeping his promises was he, as this reprint of an article from 1939 in the Telegraph shows: www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/6082639/World-War-2-Hitlers-grim-six-year-record-in-technique-of-perfidy.html

EASA hmmm. Not a great favourite amongst those I know who fly for a hobby.

scaryteacher
Parliament is sovereign and can't be bound even by another parliament. That is a fundamental tenet of what passes for a constitution in the U.K.. We are a representative democracy not a direct democracy. The RoI is a direct democracy and arrangements are made for referenda - that is why they do it so much better than we do.

Attempts are made to make referenda binding but that is simply an act of Parliament that can always be revoked by another piece of legislation. The Scottish Independence ref was probably the best put together piece of legislation n terms of referenda.

This particularly referendum had no attempt to make it binding. It was clearly and obviously advisory. No clauses, no addendums simply an advisory referendum. It was really a very shoddy piece of legislation.

If the referendum had been legally binding it would have to have been rerun due to electoral irregularities.

As your son can clearly tell you history is often a matter of interpretation. You can provide a historian that supports your point of view I can provide several who support mine. Hitler was keen to peruse Barbarossa and a limited peace with the U.K. would have suited him nicely. Who is to say if the peace would have held.

The point is we chose not to run away from Europe in 1939. We did not try to ignore what was happening in Europe. We joined with our European allies. The message is we are tied to Europe whether we like it or not.