So the vote is lost

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Wow. So we move to te next stage.

Persimmons instead of apples. FFS, yeah that's going to be a viable year-round, environmentally sustainable solution.

Totally agree re: JC, but we've no idea whether a cross-party team was ever on the table. We sat watching the news last night and when TM named who she was meeting with interjected, 'but not Jeremy Corbyn' after each name. The Labour party and particularly Momentum need to wake up and smell the coffee: they are unelectable with Corbyn as leader. Unfortunately I think they fail to understand that a lot of people who voted labour in the last GE did so for tactical, anti-Tory reasons.

Revocation of Article 50 would stop Brexit. All the political talk is around extending the end date to give more time for negotiations. Quite what anyone is going to negotiate is completely unclear as the EU isn't going to make concessions. All of this demonstrates just how enmeshed with the EU we are. I think a lot of people had no comprehension of the reality of this.

There are few natural resources left. Resourcefulness requires resources.

We have lots of natural resources, particularly the climate and land to grow our own crops and raise livestock and our fishing waters to catch fish. That puts us well ahead of lots of countries to start with that don't have either (or both) who really are reliant on imports for the fundamentals of life itself!

Not to mention coal, oil, gas, ores, etc underground that maybe currently aren't financially viable to extract plus wind, solar and wave power. We have lots of resources!

But, we still have the whole world to import from just like we've done for centuries and we still do today. And, despite what Remainers have us believe, we will still be able to import from Europe!

Yes, leaving the EU may well change some things, but life will still go on!

So the plan is that all the unemployed masses become farmers, fishermen, mining engineers and renewable energy experts? Yep, I can see that happening within a few months.

life will still go on

120,000 people have already died prematurely under austerity measures. It'll get a whole lot worse for people on the edge under a no-deal crashout.

The ruling government isn't magically going to change its ways after a no deal brexit, they'll still take from those who have the least. And poverty doesn't turn everyone into a hero of resourcefulness.......

In theory we might be fine if the government was genuinely looking after all sections of people rather than just their own political career. That will never happen of course but it's nice to dream!!!

120,000 people have already died prematurely under austerity measures.

People still push facts when it suits their narrative I see, how does the study which states itself 'This is an observational study, so no firm conclusions can be drawn about cause and effect...'

Tie in general to EU wide Austeritiy?

fullfact.org/health/austerity-120000-unnecessary-deaths/

I'm sick of reading complacent comments about No Deal. Typical of the simplistic rubbish that Leavers passed off as 'arguments' during the Referendum.

Actually, for the many people who are just living week to week, on basic salaries or benefits, ANY price hikes for foods or medication shortages can feel catastrophic.
This isn't an episode of 'SAS: Who Dares Wins'.

And how on earth the Labour Party can be behind the Conservatives in the polls right now beggars belief. That is until you see Corbyn at the despatch box with all the leadership qualities of a bad-tempered geography teacher approaching retirement. It's making me feel nostalgic about Tony Blair fgs.

i've been feeling nostalgic about Brown and Blair since the day Corbyn got elected, he never gets any bloody better...frankly, the amount he was in theory giving away in the last manifesto he should've romped home.

We wouldn't be in this bloody mess if we had a centre left or a centre right party that could govern without relying on the extremes.

It’s good to have a strong opposition. It keeps everyone in their toes but Corbyn is a liability. I agree with a PP. He was giving everything away beforehand so should have won. Yet, yet... it’s almost as thought the UK saw through all of that. How are you going to pay for it? Will it effect me? Will we have a bloated public sector?

It's making me feel nostalgic about Tony Blair fgs. And me

frankly, the amount he was in theory giving away in the last manifesto he should've romped home

Many voters had the common sense to realise that there was no way he could deliver his promises, i.e. some were blatant lies, hence why they didn't vote for him!

We wouldn't be in this bloody mess if we had a centre left or a centre right party that could govern without relying on the extremes.

Of course, we had the Libdems until Clegg put them back in the political wilderness for another generation!

That is until you see Corbyn at the despatch box with all the leadership qualities of a bad-tempered geography teacher approaching retirement.

Ha ha!

That is until you see Corbyn at the despatch box with all the leadership qualities of a bad-tempered geography teacher approaching retirement.

Brilliant - nail on the head. He's completely incompetent and out of his depth. Same with last years' budget. He just parroted off a pre-prepared speech that had no reference whatsoever to the Chancellors changes. Never seen such a poor reply. At least previous opposition leaders have made a few specific replies to changes announced within their pre-prepared speech, but Corbyn just lunged into his usual tirade of the same old soundbites and cliches.

Unfortunately, the local Labour candidate for the next GE is going to be unsuccessful because she just parrots the same old tripe too. Every interview, every social media post is just the same "copy and paste". Food banks, blah blah, for the many not the few, blah blah, universal credit, blah blah. People keep asking her about how she proposes to bring new jobs into our town, how she proposes to deal with the boarded up High Street shops, but she hasn't a clue. She has absolutely ZERO idea or plan about improving the local area except for throwing more money at those on benefits - that's her one and only theme. Fine for those affected, but nothing at all to appeal to the majority of people who aren't. It's why the Labour candidate failed to get re-elected last time and why her replacement WILL fail to be voted in next time.

We will soon re-evaluate the Blair year’s as a period of calm and no bloody Brexit!!! Never an issue during this time. We just got on with it. It’s the Conservatives that tear themselves apart on the EU and now it’s contagious !

Brexit might not have been an issue under Blair, but war certainly was.

We will soon re-evaluate the Blair year’s as a period of calm and no bloody Brexit!

Most people are seeing it as one of the reasons why Brexit happened, he ignored his manifesto pledge of holding a referendum, he ignore EU stops to limit initial immigration, he followed Bush like a lapdog into war, which then made the BBC even more of a government mouthpiece after the Dr Kelly affair, ran a huge surplus during a decade of boom which made some form of austerity a necessity after the crash.

Blair has quite a lot of blame in what we are going through now

We will soon re-evaluate the Blair year’s as a period of calm and no bloody Brexit!

It's the Blair/Brown years that accelerated us towards the referendum and Brexit. Don't forget it was under Blair that the government chose not to put restrictions on immigration from the new joining Eastern European countries "to rub the noses of the right!", or Brown showing his true colours with his "bigoted woman" comment. It was under Blair/Brown that UKIP starting to grow in popularity - had it not been for UKIP's popularity, Brown may well have actually won his GE and stayed as PM for another 5 years! The ridiculous coalition and referendum may have been completely avoided. Blair and Brown have a lot to answer for, and that's beside their disastrous handling of the economy and Brown's stupid claims of ending "boom and bust" - just before the spectacular crash!

Kazzyhoward - the Conservatives, when in opposition, were pushing for more deregulation of the financial sector prior to the crash. Something they prefer not to mention now of course!!