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So the vote is lost

121 replies

StealthPolarBear · 15/01/2019 19:44

Wow. So we move to te next stage.

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FuckNuggets · 16/01/2019 16:42

If I had any power, I'd sack all current MPs, bar them from ever holding office again, and disband all 3 main political parties. We need a clean start without the historical baggage.

This!

wowfudge · 16/01/2019 16:50

She could lose a NCV and be replaced without a general election.

wowfudge · 16/01/2019 16:52

I can't help thinking that the Brexit negotiation team should have been a cross-party one.

Gobolinocat · 16/01/2019 18:04

wowfudge

I'm staggered this never happened. It should have been war cabinet style set up.
All looking in one direction, to get us through brexit.
Clement atlee did this over war cabinet.
Before anyone lunges in... Is this war what emotive language etc... It's an example.

I think they should all be forced to pull together the whole thing is a hideous travesty.

wowfudge · 16/01/2019 18:47

I'm guessing it was seen as government business and there were fears party politics would get in the way. I'm in favour of a second referendum (I would be, I'm a remained) but there's no guarantee we'd get the outcome I and 17m other people wanted. There was an opinion poll last week that showed a similar outcome to 2016.

DangermousesSidekick · 16/01/2019 19:01

Or Theresa May can't trust anyone within her own party let alone anyone else, and this business has been about nothing but party politics from start to finish.

VenusStarr · 16/01/2019 19:19

I totally thought that TM had lost that. The ayes and noes confused me. I thought the ayes were saying they had confidence in her and the noes were saying they didn't have confidence in her. Hmm.

It's a shit shower really isn't it.

newnameforthis7 · 16/01/2019 20:20

Not a fan of May - don't know many who are, but am glad she won.

We don't need anymore chaos and confusion!

Jeremy Corbyn is the SOLE reason she is still there.

I don't know a soul - no matter what their political stance - who wants HIM as Prime Minister. Many MPs obviously think the same.

If HE had not been leader, the bloomin' Tories would not be in power now! Hmm

Roamingseams · 16/01/2019 20:23

I can't help thinking if Corbyn decided to revoke Article 50, he could win a No Confidence vote and win a GE by an absolute landslide. If he's so desperate to become PM surely this would be the best option.

It won't happen though.

Stopwoofing · 16/01/2019 20:31

I’m not a fan of May, the tories or Brexit, but on a human level May’s sheer will to keep going has impressed me.

newnameforthis7 · 16/01/2019 20:41

@RoamingSeams

There is no way Labour would win a GE.

I don't know a SOUL - no matter what their political stance - who would vote for Labour with him as leader.

Bluntness100 · 16/01/2019 20:50

I don't think Corbyn can revoke article 50. He doesn't have the authority, it has to be Teresa May.

noodlenosefraggle · 16/01/2019 23:30

He definitely can't. He cant even call a GE. He's the leader of the Opposition. One that doesnt even want to be PM, because that would entail him actually having to do something.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 17/01/2019 08:07

I didn't even get to vote, along with all other British citizens who've lived abroad more than 15 years. I just get to vote for parliament

How do you get to vote for parliament? I'm similarly disenfranchised and can't vote in any UK elections.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 17/01/2019 08:09

We need a clean start without the historical baggage

The French parliament has a very high proportion of brand new, inexperienced MPs in Macron's new party. It's been a bit of a disaster.

Kazzyhoward · 17/01/2019 08:12

I can't help thinking that the Brexit negotiation team should have been a cross-party one.

If the opposition leader was anyone other than the odious Corbyn, I think it could have been. I really don't think any normal person could work alongside Corbyn - look at the deadbeats he has on his top table - Abbott etc as all the decent Labour politicians resigned or were sacked by him. Don't forgot Labour MPs themselves voted against him when he first became party leader.

PreseaCombatir · 17/01/2019 08:39

Jc win a GE by a landslide? If win means lose, then sure!

Jux · 17/01/2019 10:00

I voted Remain, just for the record. I do think No Deal doesn't have to be the end of the world though. I have faith in our population being resourceful enough, ingenious enough, innovative enough, to make it good.

DangermousesSidekick · 17/01/2019 10:03

Jux, we live on an island that can support perhaps 40 million people. We have 65 million. There are few natural resources left. Resourcefulness requires resources.

sunglasses123 · 17/01/2019 10:03

As a Tory voter I have to agree re Corybn. He and his motley crew of Abbott et al are just incompetent. How Abbott ever gets voted for (and by a large majority every GE is beyond me!).

However if Labour became more centre ground rather than the left wing mess they are now they could have a chance but that means McDonnell, Abbott and JC must go.

Does anyone think that MacDonnell talks sense or is he the scariest Chancellor ever. Would Abbott make a good Home Secretary or would she be totally out of depth and literally make a dogs dinner of so much that Labour would be embaressed to be associated with her.

Anyway - what ever you think of May she is hanging in there, surviving on a few hours sleep and she isn't a young women.

TaMereAPoilDevantPrisu · 17/01/2019 10:17

Rather MacConnell and Abbott than towel-folder Osborne and "hostile environment" May.

SisterOfDonFrancisco · 17/01/2019 10:27

I'm tired of voters blaming others for their own decisions. You vote for tories you get tories. No point blaming anyone else for it.

DarienGap · 17/01/2019 10:31

To those suggesting revoke A50, is that to take more time to reach a consensus or just to cancel Brexit?

Jux · 17/01/2019 10:37

Resourcefulness requires invention, actually, the ability and imagination to use whatever comes to hand, Dangermouse. We've managed by using resources from elsewhere and we can do that after Brexit too. The resources will come from elsewhere, may be different, eg, not French apples but persimmons or something, so different but similar. It could even be good for us! I think there's still a lot of scaremngeriggoing on.

noodlenosefraggle · 17/01/2019 10:38

Revoking A50 I would think would cancel Brexit. If you went for a delay, you could just kick it into the long grass, but the uncertainty would drag on and on. I'd think you'd have to have another vote if A50 was delayed or cancelled with another in/out question. The gamble would be if leave won again, wed have to start the whole shambles again. I don't think they would, but I didn't think they'd win last time Sad