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Just imagine how life could be in the UK if only Remain had won.

91 replies

KennDodd · 09/01/2019 22:30

We wouldn't have any of this shit going on. Mark Carney said a while ago that Britain would be booming if it wasn't for Brexit. I don't think we'd have the dividend nation. We could properly focus on real problems people have like UC instead of the government just getting away with stuff because everyone is distracted. Personally, I'd have job security and a new car (that I need).
How would you be doing if Remain had won?

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Mookatron · 10/01/2019 12:47

An EU 'army' we can help decide about the existence of / what it consists of /what it does or be tiny, just next door, and have zero influence over... Know which I prefer

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 10/01/2019 13:25

But mook, that is exactly why we need to leave! It's always going to be the same reasoning. Next it will be the euro.

And, are you saying that we should just tie the line because we should be scared of their army!?
That'd just love that.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 10/01/2019 13:26

Toe the line. Blush

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Mookatron · 10/01/2019 13:28

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'd rather be part of the decision making process than outside it.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 10/01/2019 13:43

I think this is why I dislike the EU so much. The decisions are not really a collaborative thing. They are just announced, and then countries offered a vote. We seem to be alone in being a net contributor who isn't really all that into 'ever closer union' and so we get outvoted.

We just aren't a good fit for the ideas the EU has for itself. We never were.

Christ, even when people talked about the EU army before the referendum, we were called swivel eyed loons and laughed at. It is now blatantly obvious it was being decided behind closed doors.

Giggage · 10/01/2019 14:35

Personally, I think the root of all this is the politicians themselves.
They've been self serving for so long and ignoring what the public have been asking for many many many years - the result was Brexit.

What's going to happen in future? Much of the same, politicians self serving while the rest of make do with what's been thrown at us.

What are we going to do when this shit storm reaches a head? The same as ever, make do with what's left.

bellinisurge · 10/01/2019 14:38

Ever closet union of peoples is actually what it says. Which , to me, recognised that we are different and not a homogeneous mass. We share core values and are generally democratic capitalist countries. But other people think all our nation's problems are solved by the opposite view.

bellinisurge · 10/01/2019 14:38

Closet? Closer Grin

SusanWalker · 10/01/2019 14:45

I think UKIP would still be going and there would still be people wanting to leave but we would not be using all our parliamentary time on brexit. Civil servants in all.departments would be getting on with every day things other than brexit.

I also think that the government would have faced much more scrutiny over universal credit, homelessness and poverty and it's likely that in order to stave off the anti EU sentiment opposition parties would be fighting for a shift in investment across the country. In fact most news outlets would have been focussing much more on these issues rather than brexit.

I don't think we'd be living in a brexit free paradise but I think we'd be having a more important national conversation about wealth inequality.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 10/01/2019 15:32

Personally, I think the root of all this is the politicians themselves.
They've been self serving for so long and ignoring what the public have been asking for many many many years - the result was Brexit.

This! So true. My view is that once we have left the EU, they will have no cruel overlord' to blame.

They will have to actually DO what is expected, or be voted out.

Longtalljosie · 10/01/2019 15:41

The reason they can crack on with an EU army now is because we’re leaving...

bellinisurge · 10/01/2019 15:49

Ireland cannot join an EU army because it is a neutral nation. As is Austria , Finland, Malta and Sweden. So I'm not sure who is in the EU army.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 10/01/2019 15:55

Neutrality as a nation seems like the way the UK should go maybe? After the Iraq war, I honestly think that we should just bow out of conflicts full stop.
If the EU want an army, neutrality would stop them from dragging us in in any way.

bellinisurge · 10/01/2019 16:00

Or we could just have said , not for us, we have NATO, thanks.

Ta1kinPeace · 10/01/2019 16:06

If Remain had won
the government would not have had an excuse to ignore the real issues for the last 2 1/2 years

  • housing
  • schools
  • the NHS
  • climate change
but thanks to bloody Brexit, the UK's real problems have been left to fester instead
Mumberjack · 10/01/2019 16:07

I’d like to think that we’d be a prosperous nation and the yawning hell hole that is welfare reform would not exist.
However without Brexit I think we’d be the same pretty much, as the extra cash would be used for a bloody war with somewhere.

wowfudge · 10/01/2019 16:22

The UK currently has a veto on an EU army. It will have no say whatsoever once we've left.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 10/01/2019 16:25

Yes. Currently. The EU wants to go with majority voting on foreign policy, so, our veto would be useless.

Ta1kinPeace · 10/01/2019 16:29

The EU wants to go with majority voting on foreign policy, so, our veto would be useless.
But to change that requires a unanimous vote .... so the veto would be safe.
Outside the EU we have no input and UK companies will be excluded from many product sales.
More jobs lost ....

HoyPolloy · 10/01/2019 16:35

I read today (think it was in the grauniad) that France and Germany have announced joint foreign, defence and economic policy making for their countries. That is obviously the way they want the EU to go in the future...

bellinisurge · 10/01/2019 16:46

It's the way France and Germany want to go. Which is better than it was in the past. Doesn't mean that's the EU plan. Anyway, if you were right next to Putin's Russia and had historically been shat on by that country, you might take a different view. Especially as Trump keeps trash talking NATO.

IknowTheBoswellJoke · 10/01/2019 16:50

I'm not so sure talkin, this is from a press release:

"As proposed by the Commission, the switch from unanimity to qualified-majority voting, including in EU foreign policy, does not require a revision of the treaties. The changes can be introduced through the ‘passerelle’ clause (article 48 of the Treaty on EU), which allows the extension of qualified-majority voting to new areas if the EU member states agree unanimously. "

http://pr.euractiv.com/pr/sds-it-s-time-end-veto-eu-foreign-policy-178358

Ta1kinPeace · 10/01/2019 17:02

Boswell
Why does it matter ?
Integrating the effectiveness of EU armies against external aggressors like Putin is not bad thing surely ?
NATO has been working together for years. Do you want to leave NATO as well?

frompampastobroadway · 10/01/2019 17:13

Can I ask a really daft question which I've never seen asked, what exactly is so wrong with a European Army?

Ta1kinPeace · 10/01/2019 17:15

pampas
Good question.
And its not an EU army.
Its an EU coordination between armies - to make sure kit and systems are compatible.
And to try to reduce misunderstandings
and reduce the chance of what started 70 years ago happening again .....

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